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Posted 10 February 2012 - 15:31
With your project in mind I've had a quick look through one of my hard drives for scanned images of CIGs. I came up with three reasonable shots which may be of use to you:
East Croydon; December 1
Redhill; Summer 2000
Basingstoke; Summer 2000
I know I have loads more, but not all have been scanned. I'll fire up my old Mac over the weekend and have a look there.
Edited by Colin parks, 10 February 2012 - 15:33 .
Posted 10 February 2012 - 16:22
the DTC coupled to the MBS has 3 1st and 1 2nd class compartment.
they would seem to have had this from new, pics of green units (with yellow 1st class stripe) in 1966 on p.48/49 of 'southern EMUs 1948-83' (marsden/ian allan)
it states that the extra 2nd class compt. was to 1st class dimensions (7'2" presumably)
the EMU diagram book shows DTC as dia. 453 and the 2nd class compt. as an 8-seater (arm rests not fitted/removed/sewn-up)
the other DTC is dia.452, with 4 6-seater compts.
does seem a bit odd in that they seem to have been built with both ends having 4 1st class compts.
another comment i've seen about the DTCs is that they were unusual in that 1st class passengers had to go through 2nd class to get to the toilet, convention seems to have been 1st class accomodation is nearest the toilet (c.f. the layout of the VEP DTCs, with 1st class at the inner end)
Edited by Ceptic, 10 February 2012 - 16:42 .
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 21:47
The yellow stripes were definitely different lengths. I always used to look for the 2nd class compartment in the DTCL if I was travelling on a 4Cig, much more comfortable. I have just booked leave for the DEMU showcase, so will make myself known to you (as long as your Gronk is behaving!)
Cheers for now, Ian.
Posted 12 February 2012 - 11:24
Progress has been slow I have to admit. After the speedy installation on the electrics, detailing has begun. As luck would have it, Old Lugger is occupied with almost the same work on his class 73 motor bogies at the moment. The 4 CIG has no sand boxes of course, so details which would be hidden behind them on a '73 have to be added on this model.
More good fortune came with the realisation that the Lima mould-maker had at least added some kind of cylinder detail. Don't ask me what all the bits are truly called, I don't know. The photos from Gareth of Replica Railways have helped in the understanding of how the linkages would be modelled. What you see here is a 'dumbed-down' version of the brake gear and components at the ends of the bogie side frames. The brake gear is much simplified and set where it should be, more or less, in relation to the axle boxes and not quite in line with the wheel treads. An easy cheat for some detailing of the bogie side frames was to stick a pin into the plastic and make holes with raised edges. On the real thing, these holes were cast into the Mk.6 bogie side frames and would take the fittings found on class 73 locos, such as cable conduit clips etc.
Only the side frames of the motorised bogie have been detailed as yet. The other bogie is a different matter: some fool has wired it up so that it can't be taken off the chassis!
Edit: There should be a slot in the brake shoe linkage under the r/h brake shoe. I couldn't see how to model this without using brass and fretting the slot out - so it has been ignored
Edited by Colin parks, 02 July 2015 - 20:27 .
Posted 12 February 2012 - 19:50
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Edited by zarniwhoop, 12 February 2012 - 22:41 .
Posted 13 February 2012 - 11:49
Hi Colin. Would it be worth constructing a jig to put the shrouds together? Might make it easier as you could then hold them in place while they set and you could just stick them on to the coach after.
Edited by Colin parks, 13 February 2012 - 11:50 .
Posted 13 February 2012 - 12:11
Posted 13 February 2012 - 19:50
Another interesting thread Colin. Will keep an eye on how things progress.
Of interest might be the photos taken when myself and Natalie visited the Electric Railway Museum here in Coventry last year for their open day. I'll have to find where they are and upload them to picasa/flickr/here. Never got around to uploading photos taken at events after the Members Day last year, so lots to sort and upload!
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 18:09
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 18:37
Hi Colin. Going back to the lengths of the Yellow stripe.
Keefer, in his post # 45 presumes the difference, in length, to be 7'-2".
In your post, # 54, you wrote 72"(6') as being the difference.
Scaling the 'Book', (I know I shouldn't do this) the vernier reads 27mm (scale 6'-9")
The 4-CEPs', TC's 1st. class compartments are stated as being 6'-8" between partitions (Scource, Ian Allan's ABC, 'British Railways Coaches' 1/6/1958).
Something to watch out for ? It's a pity I didn't take any internal measurements, when I had the chance.
For references to the different lengths of the stripe, have a look at photo # 10in the 'Central Section' of Michael Welch's 'A Southern Electric Album', and photos on pages 70 & 71 of the same author's 'Slam Doors on the Southern' (both Capital Transport books). The units are shown in BR(S) Green livery, which shows up the stripe more clearly.
I'm pretty much sure that these positions (and lengths) were carried forward into Blue and Grey days.
All the Best, Frank.
Posted 14 February 2012 - 18:39
Colin, I am uploading the ERM Open Day pictures now. However having had a quick look at the stock list they have on their site, they don't have a CIG, but perhaps some of the photos will be of interest anyway.
Edit: linked to wrong pictures, am half asleep clearly!
Posted 14 February 2012 - 19:10
Edited by meld, 21 February 2012 - 13:41 .