Raffles Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I recently took up Modelzone's generous offer of an InterCity 47 for less than £50.00 (the nice lady in the store said they had 'loads' left...). Last night I set about removing the numbers and names and had some interweb time, looking for alternatives. This morning, I thought it might be useful to let people know what their options are should they wish to do the same. I'll split the options between those that require no alteration to the bodyshell and then those that would. Let's go. We'll start with the Bachmann model of 47612: Straight renumbering/renaming could give you: 47501 (although the red bufferbeams weren't added until it was named. ETH cable mounted above the bufferbeam) 47606 (bufferbeams need painting black) 47609 (bufferbeams need painting black if you are modelling it prior to 1989) 47612 (bufferbeams need painting black) 47613 (bufferbeams need painting black) Other options include 47515 (water tanks were retained - black bufferbeams. ETH cable mounted above the bufferbeam) 47549 (boiler exhaust needs changing to a round panel- black bufferbeams. ETH cable mounted above the bufferbeam) 47560 (boiler exhaust needs changing to a round panel and the water tanks were retained - black bufferbeams. ETH cable mounted above the bufferbeam) 47611 (boiler exhaust needs changing to a round panel- black bufferbeams) 47618 (boiler exhaust needs changing to a round panel- black bufferbeams) 47621 (boiler exhaust needs changing to a round panel- black bufferbeams) Going beyond these options means much repainting and/or some structural alteration. If anyone wishes to know how much work would be involved, ask away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raffles Posted February 16, 2012 Author Share Posted February 16, 2012 Bachmann 47474 Straight renumber/rename 47479 Other options to follow via the gift of edit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirey33 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 What about changing 47612 to 47492 or 47642; a couple of my favourite Scottish beasts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raffles Posted February 21, 2012 Author Share Posted February 21, 2012 Hi 47492 would require the boiler exhaust changing to the round panel and the headcode panels would need a splash of yellow across the lower half. Of course, how far anyone goes is entirely down to them. Oh, it had black window surrounds as well, something that the OC repaints didn't get. 47642 carried a number of variations. The early version, before naming, would only need the lower half of the headcode panels painting yellow. Later on, it got a black headcode panel and the Highland Rail stags (the OC repaints had their headcode panels painted in Exec Dark Grey). Boiler exhausts and battery boxes are fine for this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirey33 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Thanks Raffles. You've probably seen this but others might find it useful to help explain the minefield of Class 47 front ends. http://sulzerpower.com/frontends/headcodepanels.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 Hi Matt, I bought an Inter-City 47 from Modelzone too. I wasn't going to do a third one but I couldn't resist at that price. You had me worried too because I have done 47613 and 47515, your list said 515 has around boiler port which had me looking for pics as I was sure it was the square type. Which thankfully it is. I changed the underframe tanks from bachmanns 47035 model which come up ok with a bit of work. My latest one will be Scottish beast 47492 which does require a bit more work. Cheers Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raffles Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share Posted February 26, 2012 Hello Peter You're absolutely right about '515's boiler exhaust. Not sure how I got that wrong, probably a copy/paste moment. Original post edited although, whilst I was having another look at some pictures of '515, I noticed that when it was first repainted, the logos were positioned in a very strange way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Hello Peter You're absolutely right about '515's boiler exhaust. Not sure how I got that wrong, probably a copy/paste moment. Original post edited although, whilst I was having another look at some pictures of '515, I noticed that when it was first repainted, the logos were positioned in a very strange way. No worries Matt, easy thing to do class 47s are a bit of a minefield. Cheers Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 One other small detail to consider when re-numbering/naming 47 612 Titan. The InterCity brandings. Looking at the loco side on - no1 end at the right 47612 has the InterCity branding then the arrow, the usual for most locos in both InterCity and ScotRail versions was to have the arrow before the branding not after it on both sides. Bachmann got this correct for 47 612 but it's worth checking photos before choosing another number/name. HTH Ken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted March 22, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2012 I read elsewhere on this site that the Bachmann Large Logo 47535 is suitable to be renumbered to 47458. The name obviously needs to be removed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I read elsewhere on this site that the Bachmann Large Logo 47535 is suitable to be renumbered to 47458. The name obviously needs to be removed. Depends how picky you want to be - 458 didn't have standard refurbed ends at the no.2 end, instead getting slightly different marker lights in slightly different places. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 £50? Might get me one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted March 25, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 25, 2012 Depends how picky you want to be - 458 didn't have standard refurbed ends at the no.2 end, instead getting slightly different marker lights in slightly different places. Dave Thanks Dave Not as close a match as I thought. Eamon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel gill Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Am i right in thinking 47612 can be done as 47555 too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raffles Posted April 1, 2012 Author Share Posted April 1, 2012 It can be done as anything you want I guess but the original list was based on the minimum of work needed. 47555 had larger number than the others (I think 47637 had the same larger style at one point) and the lower half of the headcode panels would need painting yellow. As far as boiler exhaust panels go, '555 had a round panel. Watch the position and spacing of the BR logo and the 'InterCity' legend... It would need black window surrounds added as well (OC repaints did not feature these). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymzHatstand Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 How about Bachmann's 47535 to 537 Sir Gwynned/County of Gwynned with a nice big nameplate! Cheers J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raffles Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 As I said earlier, anything is possible. Bachmann doing '535 cut the options down fairly drastically as it has flush fronts at both ends and '537 had the more common discs at number one end and sealed beam markers at number two end. I would also think that whilst '537's nameplate is big, it is not as wide as '535's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 One on my list too I think!! I love intecity duffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Temeraire Posted June 23, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2012 47609 (bufferbeams need painting black) Maybe not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raffles Posted June 23, 2012 Author Share Posted June 23, 2012 Good call there Ian. It looks like the red beams were added by 1989 from the photos I've looked at as they were balck prioir to that. I shall amend the original post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Temeraire Posted June 23, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2012 Good call there Ian. It looks like the red beams were added by 1989 from the photos I've looked at as they were balck prioir to that. I shall amend the original post. Sorry Matt I should have added the caption to the photo earlier as follows: 47609 'Fire Fly' at Reading with 14.20 Padd-Plymouth 9th Dec 1988. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike W2 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Is there any Scotrail livery 47's that 47612 could be made into with just the obvious rename/renumber and replacing of the red stripe with blue stripe? Is there any other that might just require a small amount extra work? I missed out on getting the Ltd Ed Rails 47 and I'd quite like an Inverness based one if poss. thanks Mike Actually ignore this, I'm pretty sure Charles Rennie Mackintosh was the only 47/4 in Scotrail livery! thanks Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 47461 was the only Class 47/4 in Scotrail livery, but there were plenty 47/7s that 47612 can be renumbered to fairly easily I think 47704, 47706, 47708-47717 all match up with the 47612 model. 47701, 47702, 47703, 47705, 47707 have flush ends at at least one end. I don't know about how the boiler ports match up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Hi guys, I managed to get hold of a spare 47 190 I was wanting to convert into a RfD example. Could anyone suggest a loco I could swap 47 190 to please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I've seen this list of the Class 47s which had flush fronts at both ends so options would be a bit limited for which carried Rfd livery 4710247141/614/85347163/610/823/7874719047299474584752247535and recently modified Northern Belle 47790 & 47832 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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