Michael Delamar Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Ken Pearce's shedside on Merseyside book (which is like my bible ) has lots of mentions of J10's around Liverpool but always calls them Pom Poms, so ive always known the J10s as Pom poms, it confused me when I read it was the j11s that were pom poms. my question is was this wider known among enthusiasts and railwaymen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I've never heard J10s refered to as pom poms before by people or GCR books I've read, only J11s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 AFAIK it was something to do with the exhaust note sounding like a WW1 gun, so could have applied to both? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 [pedant mode] I believe the gun in question was introduced during the Boer War [/pedant mode] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 3, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2012 [pedant mode] I believe the gun in question was introduced during the Boer War [/pedant mode] Being incredibly pedantic it was technically the Second Boer War Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Yeah well, it was a gun, OK :P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Only if it was you being shot at. I bet it was important to know if you had to order the polish for it. Mike, I kneel before your superior pedantry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold A Murphy Posted April 3, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2012 The first J10s were introduced as GCR class 9D in 1892. Designed by Pollitt, continued by Parker as the 9H and perpetuated by Robinson, also known as J10 s under the LNER and BR. These engines were never known by railwaymen as Pom-poms. J11s, GCR class 9J were introduced, by Robinson in 1901 and were known as Pom-poms, allegedly because the exhaust note mimicked the sharp bark of the Boer War gun of that name. In his 1980s ish book on the Cheshire Lines Committee, Nigel Dyckhoff wrongly identifies J10 as J11 and called them Pom-poms. This may be where some of this confusion originates from. J10s are not Pom-poms, as far as I am aware? Cheers, Alastair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 J11s, GCR class 9J were introduced, by Robinson in 1901 and were known as Pom-poms, allegedly because the exhaust note mimicked the sharp bark of the Boer War gun of that name. Soooo... ...is that the First or Second Boer War? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Happy Hippo Posted April 3, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2012 Soooo... ...is that the First or Second Boer War? Second Regards Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Mike must be using sub-standard ink today. I blame these new-fangled screens, it would never have happened with CRTs. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold A Murphy Posted April 3, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 3, 2012 Well funny you should ask that, as I'm only aware of the one, 1899 -1902 but maybe the previous correspondent could tell us about the other one? Alastair The First Anglo-Boer War (1880–1881), was a rebellion of Boers (farmers) against British rule in the Transvaal that re-established their independence. The conflict occurred against the backdrop of the Pretoria government becoming increasingly ineffective at dealing with growing claims on South African land from rival interests within the country. Just answered my own question here!! First time I have heard it referred to as this, but its pre J10 anyway... Just Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Brit70053 Posted April 3, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 3, 2012 Would never have had all this confusion if Bachmann had announced a J21 ! Coat on, Door open ! Cheers, John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Mike must be using sub-standard ink today. Not really Nick, I saw Mike's comment but was running the joke out a bit longer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Not really Nick, I saw Mike's comment but was running the joke out a bit longer Sorry, Ian, I'd thought it had ended with your post #31. I still think these modern screens don't keep the ink warm enough, though Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJL Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Great news you can never have too many 0-6-0 tender locos in your collection. Great news you can never have too many 0-6-0 tender locos in your collection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markeg Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Is there any news of this impending Loco? With all the engineering prototypes at Warley, there was no J11 amongst them. Yes a J21 would have been a good option, but a LNER 0-6-0 is better than none at all. MArk in OZ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I've never, ever heard of a J10 being called a Pom-Pom. Not once until today. These (J11) engines were a mighty varied class, as I learned myself when trying to research one to build. Lots of scope for errors, so be wary when changing numbers/altering details. Dated photos of a specific engine highly recommended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted January 28, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2013 For those of you waiting patiently for the J11: http://www.flickr.com/photos/72213853@N03/8277697464/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLPG Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 How far north did the J11 get? North Yorkshire? I was not around to witness first hand. I have been informed they may have visited Darlington for repair but not seen any photos to confirm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Jiff Kenobi Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I was kind of hoping that, as a GC engine, I wouldn't have to buy any of these, but as they seem to have appeared on the GE pre-World War II that plan may be in tatters! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted February 11, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2013 How far north did the J11 get? North Yorkshire? I was not around to witness first hand. I have been informed they may have visited Darlington for repair but not seen any photos to confirm. Allocations in BR days: http://brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=class&id=601011&type=S&page=allochttp://brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=class&id=601011&type=S&page=alloc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Turpin Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 How far north did the J11 get? North Yorkshire? I was not around to witness first hand. I have been informed they may have visited Darlington for repair but not seen any photos to confirm. I have seen video footage of a J6 at Danby Wiske heading north so would have probably arrived at Darlington, and which would have come from around Leeds or Manchester most likely, the home of plenty of J11s, so anything's possible. Of course this was colour film making it late 1950s/ early 1960s when locos seemed to travel around more but hey I'm sure J11s were seen in Darlington on occasion before that. If anyone does know where there's a photo of a J11 anywhere near Darlington pre-war I'd love to see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markeg Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Regarding the Bachmann J11 model, I had a reply to a request for a spare parts (a B1 split chassis wheel Set) for a friend. So added a question about the J11's progress, the reply was "There's not a release date for the J11 but it is progressing." So thats the latest. Maybe March's announcements may shed some light and an EP might be on show. Mark in OZ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45568 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Please Mr. Lovett, use the D11 tender with pick-ups on it for the J11...please! Cheers, Peter C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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