RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted April 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 23, 2012 So ummm.....we all know about the Cuban & Rhodesian 47's, but weren't there also locos based on class 31's that got exported? Were there any other UK diesel clones that got exported? Of course there was also the Dutch class 08's as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 The Victorian Railways F Class 0-6-0 shunters, which were built by English Electric in 1951-53, were based on the LMS Class 11 diesel shunters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Some EE locos were built for Portugal and were essentially class 50's. Hunslet built many copies of the 05 some were exported. Isn't the Australian XPT a copy/clone of the UK HST? Going back to steam days and you have Austerity locos in Europe many stayed and still exist - have a look on my leedsengine.info site for the one in Rotterdam. (But that's off topic.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 The XPT isn't so much a clone as more of a 'based on' train, as it had to stand up to the harsher climate down here, and also went a fair bit slower. In essence, the only similarities were the set up of the train mechanics, which employes the same motor as the HST (Paxman Valenta 12RP200L original/12VP185 current) and the overall 'look' of the train (i.e. two power cars propelling a sandwich of coaches). I have included a picture of XPT #2014 at Central last year. Interestingly, whenever I head into Sydney, I pass the XPT works, which has a set currently undergoing refurbishment inside and is quite visible from the tracks.<p> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 The XPT isn't so much a clone as more of a 'based on' train, as it had to stand up to the harsher climate down here, and also went a fair bit slower. In essence, the only similarities were the set up of the train mechanics, which employes the same motor as the HST (Paxman Valenta 12RP200L original/12VP185 current) and the overall 'look' of the train (i.e. two power cars propelling a sandwich of coaches). I have included a picture of XPT #2014 at Central last year. Interestingly, whenever I head into Sydney, I pass the XPT works, which has a set currently undergoing refurbishment inside and is quite visible from the tracks.<p> (sorry about double post, computer has been having an off day and decided to tell me post hadn't worked, then posted double) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 If I remember the tale correctly, EE's type 1 diesel, later TOPs class 20 was developed from an existing design that they had built for service in what was then Ceylon (Sri Lanka) that in part accounting for it being the only really successful type 1 in BR service. From this design a loco built for the Portugese railways as Series 1400 was developed. Recounted to me by a man who had been a premium apprentice at Napier's, and by ways various found himself incorporated into the EE empire by mid career - not entirely to his liking... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Modeller Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Exports really began before WW2. Armstrong Whitworth built a small number of locomotives and railcars that ran in India, Ceylon, Brazil and Argentina. Drewry, Wickham, BRCW and Walker built railcars for many countries between them. After the war, English Electric, BRCW, Brush, BTH, North British and others built many locos for overseas use - mainly, but not exclusively for the Comonwealth. The Irish republic had several classes, including predecessors of the Metro-Vics. Wickham etc. continued to supply railcars. Metro-Cammell even supplied railcars to Mexico. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 So ummm.....we all know about the Cuban & Rhodesian 47's, but weren't there also locos based on class 31's that got exported? Were there any other UK diesel clones that got exported? Of course there was also the Dutch class 08's as well. You could argue that some of the Pilot Scheme diesels were actually clones on Britich export diesels. For instance the Brush Type 2 which later Class31 was based on the Brush Bagnall M1 Class locos supplied to Ceylin in 1953. The Shri Lankan locos retained the original Mirrlees 1000Hp engine and avoided the problem with up-rating that lead to the re-powering of the British Locos with EE Power Units. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 English Electric 350HP shunters were exported to Sweden and Denmark as well (2 and 1 respectively) One of the Swedish ones; http://www.svenska-lok.se/motor_solo.php?s=22&lokid=2991 and the Danish one http://www.jernbanen.dk/motor_solo.php?s=9&lokid=21 . Interestingly both locos have enlarged bottom cab steps for the shunter to ride on. Copenhagen Free Harbour operated a Rolls Royce Sentinel that they obtained new in the 1960's but I've not found any pictures on the net. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpb56125 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Next British export is former 56 101 http://mark5812.smugmug.com/Trains2012/May-2012/22737739_Rn7mdg#!i=1876717022&k=rg68Zsh&lb=1&s=A http://mark5812.smugmug.com/Trains2012/May-2012/22737739_Rn7mdg#!i=1876717259&k=Q2T2kNp&lb=1&s=A Mark http://mark5812.smugmug.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted May 30, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 30, 2012 You could argue that some of the Pilot Scheme diesels were actually clones on Britich export diesels. For instance the Brush Type 2 which later Class31 was based on the Brush Bagnall M1 Class locos supplied to Ceylin in 1953. The Shri Lankan locos retained the original Mirrlees 1000Hp engine and avoided the problem with up-rating that lead to the re-powering of the British Locos with EE Power Units. I used to work with a guy (about 1985) that commissioned them and he gave me a set of wiring diagrams for them - now buried somewhere in my collection of paperwork. They smuggled alcohol there packed with straw inside the cylinder heads! Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 The railway export industry must have been quite fascinating for those old enough to remember bits of it. In a BRCW book I have there is a photo of a "foreign" diesel (Commonwealth of Australia NSU51) on a demonstration train between Birmingham and Banbury. As built the locos were 9'4" wide and 12'9" high so were more or less within the British loading guage, but probably ran as an "OGLO" anyway. Designed and built for 3'6" gauge as A1A-A1As theclass were also supplied with four standard gauge bogies, and I guess these were what NSU51 was running on. The caption reads "Commonwealth Railways No NSU51 on a demonstration run between Birmingham and Banbury in February 1954. Note the LNER Gresley quard art set in the train". In my opinion the 2nd-6th vehicles on the train are actually a Quint Art set followed by a host more Gresley panelled coaches, the leading vehicle being a Mk1 SK or TSO in crimson and cream livery. I am assuming the loco is air braked and needed air braked stock for the demonstration run, so Westinghouse fitted coaching stock was ideal. The internals were a Sulzer 6LDA28 power unit and Crompton Parkinson electrics making it sound very much like the uncle to the BR TOPS class 26. Another interesting photo dated January 1951 shows modified Hall 6975 hauling a five car Egyptian railways diesel railcar set with barrier/coupler adapter wagons and "double" Toads - ie one behind the loco and one on the rear. The photo caption states the train is running through Hatherley near Cheltenham, rather more sedately than the 93 mph achieved by one of the units a month earlier between Smethwick and Aynho !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 The railway export industry must have been quite fascinating for those old enough to remember bits of it. In a BRCW book I have there is a photo of a "foreign" diesel (Commonwealth of Australia NSU51) on a demonstration train between Birmingham and Banbury. As built the locos were 9'4" wide and 12'9" high so were more or less within the British loading guage, but probably ran as an "OGLO" anyway. Designed and built for 3'6" gauge as A1A-A1As theclass were also supplied with four standard gauge bogies, and I guess these were what NSU51 was running on. The caption reads "Commonwealth Railways No NSU51 on a demonstration run between Birmingham and Banbury in February 1954. Note the LNER Gresley quard art set in the train". In my opinion the 2nd-6th vehicles on the train are actually a Quint Art set followed by a host more Gresley panelled coaches, the leading vehicle being a Mk1 SK or TSO in crimson and cream livery. I am assuming the loco is air braked and needed air braked stock for the demonstration run, so Westinghouse fitted coaching stock was ideal. The internals were a Sulzer 6LDA28 power unit and Crompton Parkinson electrics making it sound very much like the uncle to the BR TOPS class 26. What appears to be the same photo from your description is on the Derby Sulzer site: http://www.derbysulz...traliabrcw.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me. Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 I bet Heljan haven't thought of that one (yet!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohmisterporter Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 The Glasgow firm of Beardmores exported some diesel railcars and switchers to Canadian National in the 1920s I think. Also more recently Brush Electric exported 22 EF class Bo-Bo-Bo locos to New Zealand. Most are still in service. The Channel Tunnel shuttle locos were based on this design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 This Flickr group has loads of interesting images to browse thro' http://www.flickr.com/groups/1657972@N24/pool/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mp55aec Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Dont forget one of the very latest- Also i know of mark 2 coaches in Kenya and Israel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Also i know of mark 2 coaches in Kenya and Israel Here are a couple of the Kenyan coaches photographed in Mombassa in 1997: These 2nd class coaches had 4 berth couchette compartrments, the 1st class were 2 berth and there was also a matching dining car. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpb56125 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 56101 working a grain train in Budapest http://mark5812.smugmug.com/Trains2012/Hungary-2012/25626195_rBHKRw#!i=2141220872&k=Jdk3mwc&lb=1&s=A 56101 working a grain train in Szolnok http://mark5812.smugmug.com/Trains2012/Hungary-2012/25626195_rBHKRw#!i=2143193169&k=6kxwk5T&lb=1&s=A 86248 working a grain train in Budapest http://mark5812.smugmug.com/Trains2012/Hungary-2012/25626195_rBHKRw#!i=2141503017&k=VDZkF9D&lb=1&s=A Mark http://mark5812.smugmug.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Boyd Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 ..... and the 08's & Swindon Inter-City DMU's that went to LAMCO, Liberia. Regards, Mick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hale Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Were Mk2's also exported to NZ? www.railwayforum.net/showthread.php?t=1148 Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Boyd Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Just came to mind, Stanier coaches to Jamaica in 1964 and didnt they have some Wickham DMU's? Regards, Mick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpb56125 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 More pictures of 56101 & 86215 working a railtour over the weekend at http://mark5812.smug...19887&k=ZGjrjP7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 More pictures of 56101 & 86215 working a railtour over the weekend at http://mark5812.smug...19887&k=ZGjrjP7 I note that the H-KV NOHAB is ex-DSB My1125, not an M61. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Were Mk2's also exported to NZ? I belive so, they underwent quite a drastic rebuild by NZR. Non - air con mk 2 coaches were exported to Israel where IR workshops put what appeared to be bus air-conditioners on the roof. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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