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#1 marc smith

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 13:20

Hi all,

For some time I've been planning yet another layout (well TWO actually!) based around a railway scrapyard...
As a young lad in South Wales, scrapyards left an indellible impression on me.

I know some of you may think the railway scrapyard is an awful place, and not the happy,
picture-postcard-view many people have of railways, but that impression on my then young mind
is of a fascinating, atmospheric place, full of visual interest....
I appologise to those who think otherwise, but I've wanted to model one for a while,
simply to recreate the times when I went to Barry Scrapyard to clamber all over those rusting giants,
and to recreate what I always thought was an interesting "modelogenic" location of Cashmores

Barry was an eerie place, and yet so many wonderful machines were saved because of it...
Anyone who doubts the atmosphere generated in such places really should take a look
at "Woodmores" scrapyard diorama on this forum - It's a simply stunning model

Cashmores too left indellible images in my minds eye.
I really only went there to see some Southern region Class 71's
when they were cut up there. I recall going there only 3 times,
and could seldom afford film in those days...
even more infuriating, is the fact that I actually DID take 1 or 2 pics...
but never got that film developed (it was that, or buy a wagon, the latest edition of Locoshed etc)

I started making bits for the Cashmores layout,
but I have changed my designs several times
It always struck me that the nice retaining wall and arches along the one side of the yard
would be a superb backdrop -especially as this was another minimum space plan

Anyhow, I have re-drawn my plan (again) and have opted to go for a simpler,
inglenook-type design. There may be an additional kickback road, at the back
as I may use a modified loco-lift for occasional run round manouvres
I have been very pleased with this space saving run round design I adopted for my
OO layout "Wales, Rails, Rain & Steel"

Also, I've decided to revert to EM gauge
Partly because I rediscovered some EM points I built years ago,
and partly because I'll have dedicated stock for this layout,
which won't be needed elsewhere...
Also, I still have 1 or 2 lcos and wagons etc...

If anyone out there has any old pics of Cashmores they don't mind the rest of us seeing,
please feel free to post them here, or PM me...
I'd love to see them

I'll draw out my latest plan soon

Cheers
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#2 marc smith

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 13:23

Here is the link to the Woodmores thread I mentioned above

http://www.rmweb.co....ores-scrapyard/

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 20:29

Hi Marc

Great to see a thread started!

Awaiting that first piccy!! :O

Roger

ps the 22 is in works being chipped.. thanks again

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:22

Aaaaah Cashmores, Newport - a magnet for us in the late 60s and early 70s.
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Of course John Cashmore wasn't the only 'murderer of iron horses' based in Newport docks; Messrs Buttigieg, Mahoney, Woodfield and United Wagon Works to name but a few, were also engaged in such activities.
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I too can remember struggling to look over the wall into Cashmore's yard and see which loco(s) were next to be added to the mountain of metal in the middle of the yard.
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Twas here one Sunday morning, whilst sailing down the Usk on the sand dredger 'Isca' I saw my first USA tanks awaiting their fate.
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It was in the shadow of the "Baltic Oil Works" I saw my only Crosti 9F or should that be 8F ?
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Parked up against that beast, was one of the BR built (GWR designed) Pontnewynydd brake vans.
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My 'combines' show that I saw most of the Bulleid 'Packets' and Light Pacifics - sadly, all in scrapyards - and the first I ever saw in steam was in Newport, Clan Line, years later.
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I envisage Mr.Smith rummaging in boxes at swapmeets and shows in the hunt for suitable candidates for emasculation ????
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Brian R
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 14:01

I seem to recall Falcon being scrapped here. Such a waste!

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 14:06

Great opportunity for some spectacular weathering and fits in with your other layouts!

Look forward to seeing this one progress. :)

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 14:08

whats interesting to me is the large chunks of loco's in the piles, maybe a working magnetic crane to move them about would add interest?
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Newport Cashmores Wales October 1968 by loose_grip_99, on Flickr

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#8 Bernard Lamb

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 14:21

When I saw the title my thoughts were of something rather larger than your proposed layout.
Cashmores seems to keep cropping up in my current ship research project with several large vessels ending their days at Newport.
It looks like an interesting theme.
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#9 marc smith

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 15:10

When I saw the title my thoughts were of something rather larger than your proposed layout.
Cashmores seems to keep cropping up in my current ship research project with several large vessels ending their days at Newport.
It looks like an interesting theme.
Bernard


Hi all,

Yes, I gather Cashmores was quite a large site
My memories of clambering over the wall
" I only want some train numbers officer!"

Were of a smaller area than I realised...
Perhaps I was only interested in the trains parked right up against the stone wall?
And so my memories were of a smaller area...

... Oh and of piles of wagon wheels.... PILES of wagon wheels!

I managed to buy a couple of secondhand 35mm slides of steamers awaiting their fate,
but there are only a couple of piccies of diesel locos sat there
Anyone got some?

Cheers
Marc

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 15:15

Aaaaah Cashmores, Newport - a magnet for us in the late 60s and early 70s.
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Of course John Cashmore wasn't the only 'murderer of iron horses' based in Newport docks; Messrs Buttigieg.....
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I too can remember struggling to look over the wall into Cashmore's yard and see which loco(s) were next to be added to the mountain of metal in the middle of the yard
.
I envisage Mr.Smith rummaging in boxes at swapmeets and shows in the hunt for suitable candidates for emasculation ????
.
Brian R


Your memories of Cashmores are as welcome as your many other memories Brian :)
I have already been "rummaging" and have amassed a pile of stuff to "scrap"
but I think I'll need more

My pal Dave (Wenlock) has agreed to make some cast wheels, for scrapping....
Wish I could find the site of Cashmores too
Newport has changed so much, I've no idea now of where it was :O

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 19:29

I've got a pic of a 22 awaiting its fate there - i'll get it copied and enlarged for you matey

Roger

PS Llanishen Leisure Centre has a toy & train fair this Saturday if you fancy it? May be some handy "scrap" going cheap?
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 23:04

there is a shot of an early warship cut down to its frame, think its in steam for scrap.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 23:30

hi Marc
glad I found your new Topic Thread here - this sounds as if it will be great.
I had fun murdering a few diesels in a wee scrap yard scene a few months back - and have often wondered why scrap yards are seldom modelled. If you are interested my topic link below will get you there - last 2 pages.

Most major depots had the odd scrapper lying around - often for years and then thee were special cases like Eastfields 24 006 used for re railing exercises. I was always fascinated by works visits and images of logos in distress or just in bits.

Good luck with your ideas - I have seen good images of Falcon waiting to be cut taken from quite a high vantage point sHowing an extensive yard area - you might need to use another of your wee mirror tricks......!

Stuart

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:35

For some time I've been planning yet another layout (well TWO actually!)


I'm guessing the other one being a china clay works? ;)

Looks good Marc...and if anything like your previous layouts it will be superb.

Bring it on...

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 13:08

I had fun murdering a few diesels in a wee scrap yard scene a few months back - and have often wondered why scrap yards are seldom modelled. If you are interested my topic link below will get you there - last 2 pages.

Most major depots had the odd scrapper lying around - often for years and then thee were special cases like Eastfields 24 006 used for re railing exercises. I was always fascinated by works visits and images of logos in distress or just in bits.

Good luck with your ideas - I have seen good images of Falcon waiting to be cut taken from quite a high vantage point sHowing an extensive yard area - you might need to use another of your wee mirror tricks......!

Stuart


Hi Stuart,
thanks for that link - very nice modelling sir :)

I think most of us never really liked seeing the real thing being cut up
so maybe we don't like to see that replicated in model form?

I've had this idea on the back-burner for some time now...
I got some old Hornby class 25 bodies cheap some time back
and when building "Wales, Rails, Rain & Steel" i used removable scenic sections

I thought at the time I was building WRR&S, that I might employ removable scenery in this scrapyard layout....
Especially as the yard itself would not change over the years... just the rolling stock in it, being reduced to piles of metal

Now I know Cashmores had closed long before we saw striking images of class 25 & 26 bodies,
in the famous "pyramid" at Vic Berry's - but I thought I might use my modellers licence,
to keep it open a bit longer.....

This removable scene could of course be replaced by boilers & bits n pieces of steam locos,
or anything else for that matter.....
Just a thought, but I do like the idea of being able to change a scene slightly and subtly,
just by replacing a few key elements...

Still appealing to anyone who owns decent shots of Cashmores....
Can't get enough of them at the mo....
PS. Anyone got the grid reference of the old site?

Cheers all

PS. BCNPete, no, the china clay dries are somewhere around 3 or 4 down my ever-growing list lol :)
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Posted 29 June 2012 - 13:12

Marc

Grid reference for Cashmores - ST319874

From memory, and looking at a Google map, Cashmore's yard was on the west bank of the River Usk, east of what is now the A4042 'Usk Way' and almost immediately south of George Street Bridge (B4237).

You may also wish to try this link (named after a street in Pill):-

http://www.quietwoma...moonfruit.com/#

Brian R

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 10:03

Thanks for that info re the grid reference...
I can remember seeing Cashmores, from George St bridge
- I recall it was some distance from the bridge though...
and couldn't recall in which direction - so that's a great help, cheers

Thanks also for that link
there are some nice shots of old Newport....
I reccomend a view, for those who haven't seen it
If you look at the menu, there are also some nice shots of Pill shed :)

When I first saw the link, I thought.... "what's a quiet woman?"
Lol... only joking dear, ouch...... ;)

Cheers again
Marc

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 15:57

Hi folks,

I haven't posted anything here in a while
So I'd better fix that :)

I drew up several plans, but had another re-think
I've had an EM 3 way point built for me, by hayfield golfer
who did a smashing job - I just don't have time these days....

Anyhow, here's the plan
Originally, I had 2 points, instead of the 3 way
but this has made my original design flow a bit better
and instead of making more space on the scenic area,
I've squeezed it a tad more.....

I'll make my mind up finally on this later,
if I feel it could do with a bit more "space"

For years I've fancied the idea of what Barry Norman and Iain Rice
refer to as a "vicarage study" design
i.e a central "main" baseboard, with folding down ends

I prefer to keep these fold-down sections non scenic
i.e. as fiddle areas

Both fiddle areas are shaded in green
and I think this gives me more flexibility,
having an additional short fiddle on the right hand side.....

On my OO steelworks layout
"Wales, Rails, Rain & Steel" I use a wired-in peco loco lift,
to save space, and add flexibilty in the fiddle yard
I'm pleased with this arrangement, and find it works well for me

The plan obviously isn't an exact replica of the real Cashmores....
That would take up an enormous amount of space,
and be fairly dull, in model form I think

The track layout is of my own design,
and I envisage locos & wagons arriving,
to be cut up in the main shed on the right

I intend to make some of the scenic scrap material "removable"
This will allow me to change period
I saw class 71's at Cashmores in the late 1970's
The yard closed in the early 80's, I think
but I'd like to keep it open...... with my modellers licence
having bought some old Hornby class 25 bodies when they were cheap on ebay!
Images of a Vic Berry like scene in my mind....

So I may "EM" one for this project
Then again, I may just make a sector plate....

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 16:34

Nice plan Marc

Look forward to following this one - am sure it will be another cracker...:)
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 16:45

Looks good Marc.

Great piles of rusting metal and associated mess!
Should take you a while to create the right looking scrap, which I guess will be most of the fun!

What size are you making the centre board?

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Posted 06 September 2012 - 08:46

Looks good Marc.

Great piles of rusting metal and associated mess!
Should take you a while to create the right looking scrap, which I guess will be most of the fun!

What size are you making the centre board?


Yes, I'm looking forward to making the piles of scrap metal & wheels etc
My pal Dave (Wenlock) is casting up a load of wheels, hopefully as I'm typing this....

The visual section is around 3 foot 8 at the mo....
but I may extend this slightly, once the plan is drawn again
I originally drew it full size, before getting the 3 way....
It flowed nicely then, so why on earth did I change it? Groan!

Cheers

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 14:48

Searching on Flickr, there are a few photos of Cashmores
My first visit was in search of 3 southern region electric locos - class 71s

2 batches of 3 locos were stored very briefly opposite Ebbw Junction Depot
and sent to J Cashmores for scrapping, in the late 70's

Neither batch lasted long in Cashmores yard
they must have worked very quickly
Searching the net, I found someone else who reckoned that a total of 7 of the class were scrapped there,
although I thought it was in fact 6....

With its' high brick & stone retaining wall,
I long ago imagined this could make a nice, natural backdrop to a model

Many would not wish to model such a location,
and given the subject matter, I can perfectly understand this....
but it obviously left an indellible image in my mind.....

http://www.google.co...6&tx=154&ty=100

http://www.wnxx.com/...als/class71.htm

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:03

Hi Marc,

Things are looking good with Cashmores, I think you have a good plan there and I see you've used the classic three way point.


Will be following with interest.


Cheers

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:45

Thanks to my old pal Dave (Wenlock)
I have a small pile of wheels, which he very kindly cast up for me
Together with some old wheels, and odds 'n' ends I've been collecting,
I'm starting on the genesis of my scrap piles...

No piccies as yet, I'm afraid
but I'm sure you don't want to see piccies of me with a file in my hand...

.... dust everywhere.....
"nothin to do with me, dear, honest ;)
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 13:52

Hi all,
It has been a while since I posted anything - I know, I know,
"Get yer skates on Smith!"

I have been busy with other things - namely making my garage into a railway room :)
Ok, I'll have to share it, with some domestic appliances...... but.... more space woo hoo :)

I have been doing a few bits & pieces on the layout
In my parents loft was a pile of airfix odds n ends and some other components,
suitable for my scrap pile

 

The track on the layout proper is laid, and mostly wired -
just the frogs to do..... then my folding sector-plates......

I cut the coal out of some airfix tenders (which I built when I was about 13 or 14!)
applied british railways transfers, and rusted them up
I also rusted up a Mainline Pannier, and I've another to do
But, although the wheels are re-gauged to EM
they tend to catch on the sleeper chairs

I'm accruing other bits for my scrap piles, and I promise to post some piccies,
as soon as I get time to take them...... whew!

Cheers all

 

Edit: Oh, and I've built the rear retaining wall, in sections
and painted it to my overall satisfaction
Once in place, it will require toning down a tad,
and the characteristic fence behind it....


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