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#4501 chaz

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 20:34

I may well have read it first time round Chaz, but could I ask how you did the water? Have to say the colour looks just right too - wouldn't want to take a dip in there!

 

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Nothing clever at all Keith. It's a piece of 6mm MDF first sprayed with white acrylic primer from a rattle-can and then painted that characteristic yellow (it was so universal I'm tempted to call it canal yellow) with artists' acrylics. Once the colour had dried I gave it a few coats of varnish. To avoid possible problems with warping every step of the paint processes were done on both sides. The result is not very shiny but then I think canal water looked pretty lifeless....

 

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 21:35

Great modelling but I still think that girder bridge could do with a spot of dirt and rust Chaz.
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Posted 17 August 2017 - 08:09

Details around Dock Green 13

 

Just a small detail this time.

 

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A pile of sleepers.

 

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A pile like this was a fairly common feature - this one has obviously been here a while judging by the growth around it.

 

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 19:04

Love the small details. I am so looking forward to seeing this layout next year.

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 07:42

Nothing clever at all Keith. It's a piece of 6mm MDF first sprayed with white acrylic primer from a rattle-can and then painted that characteristic yellow (it was so universal I'm tempted to call it canal yellow) with artists' acrylics. Once the colour had dried I gave it a few coats of varnish. To avoid possible problems with warping every step of the paint processes were done on both sides. The result is not very shiny but then I think canal water looked pretty lifeless....

 

HTH

 

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Nothing clever, but a real artistic streak to get the look right.You underestimate your talent Chas.


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Posted 18 August 2017 - 07:54

Details around Dock Green 14

 

I had wanted a fire escape on one of Dock Green’s buildings for some time. When the layout was extended for the cassette handling baseboard I needed to screen the end of the scenic section to hide that area. A new factory facade would do the job and seemed an ideal opportunity for a fire escape.

I approached Peter Harvey again to see if he would design some etched brass parts for me. Having got agreement from him I needed to plan the model.

 

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I put a piece of card in position and marked it up for size. I then used it to draw out the doors, windows and the profile of the escape. I then sent a drawing to Peter as a JPEG with the major dimensions marked up.

In due course he sent me JPEGs of the artwork he had prepared for the etches and some drawings showing how they should be assembled.

 

Peter's etches as they arrived, quite superb if rather daunting.

 

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The etches for the decorative and very impressive support brackets.

 

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These are frame pieces and side rails for the flights of stairs and landings. The "T" shaped half-etches accept the stair treads and stiffening plates. 

 

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The stair treads and landings etched with chequer plate and (bottom left) parts to make the edging flanges for the support brackets.

 

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This was by far the most delicate and demanding etched brass model I have ever assembled and taxed my abilities and ingenuity. I had to make a jig to get the flights of stairs to come up accurately and true.

 

By agreement the etched parts did not include any provision for the handrails. I made the uprights for these out of code 70 bullhead rail and the rails from 0.7mm nickel silver wire.

 

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I brush painted the model after a thin waft of acrylic primer from a rattle-can. 

 

The last two photos are of the model in position on the layout.

 

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There are no door handles as the fire doors would not be used for general access.

 

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Some litter, a pile of timber stacked out of the way, weeds, oil drums - they all add to this obscure industrial corner.

 

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 10:21

The fire escape is a worthy topic for reposting. It's a clever piece of modelling. Thanks for showing us again Chaz.
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Posted 18 August 2017 - 14:09

The fire escape is a worthy topic for reposting. It's a clever piece of modelling. Thanks for showing us again Chaz.

 

We definitely need a 'WOW' button!

Quite an amazing addition. The small details really do add to the realism, even down to the litter!!

Fantastic work!!

 

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#4509 chaz

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 20:21

The fire escape is a worthy topic for reposting. It's a clever piece of modelling. Thanks for showing us again Chaz.

 

 

We definitely need a 'WOW' button!

Quite an amazing addition. The small details really do add to the realism, even down to the litter!!

Fantastic work!!

 

Regards, Deano.

 

Thanks for those comments lads, much appreciated. I must just say that a lot of the credit must go to Peter Harvey for his outstanding design work on the brass etches. 

 

I didn't mention above that I joined the sub-assemblies together positioned on the factory wall with the wires on the back of the landing support brackets pushed home into holes drilled to receive them. It was a measure of the quality of the design work that the flights of stairs fitted neatly into the rebates and slots in the landings with very little easing or adjustment needed. Yes, I had to assemble the model very carefully but the quality of the parts and the accuracy of the design made for success.

 

The fire escape is one of my favourite features on the layout and I have been known to "come round the front" at shows to point it out to visitors who might have missed it!

 

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 08:14

Details around Dock Green 15

 

One of the details I added to both the warehouse and the factory was the downpipes.

 

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The hoppers at the top are white-metal castings (from Scalelink) and the pipes are plastic rod. The pipe clamps are a compromise. A close look betrays my effort to be rather different to the real thing - however from any reasonable distance they pass muster.

 

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This very unforgiving photograph is of the two components that make up a clamp - a small rectangle of HIP drilled and rounded off (drill it while it’s still on a strip!) and a piece of plastic rod formed into a “U”. Make a simple jig to form the “U” - drill a piece of board (MDF or ply’) and push in a piece of rod. Heat the plastic rod to be formed briefly over a candle flame and then bend it round the jig rod holding it flat until it has cooled. I discovered that if the “U” was set not quite parallel it would act like a spring in the two holes and would not need glueing.

 

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Downpipes from plastic rod and tube, the hopper on this building is a spare loco’ sandbox casting.

 

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Pipe clamps added. I use the drilled rectangles as drilling jigs, sliding them under the pipes and positioning them symmetrically, to start the drill into the wall.

 

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If you cut a wedge shaped piece of thin sheet plastic or card it can be slid behind pipes to keep the paint away from the brickwork. If you haven't glued the clamps in place these can be eased away from the wall to paint.

 

None of this pipework is glued in place (although the joints are welded) and none has ever moved.

 

Chaz


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 12:55

Chaz

You will have to get yourself scanned by Modelu sitting down, with a fag and put yourself sitting at the bottom of the fire escape along with a mug of tea. I think that will enhance the scene no end.

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 13:26

Details around Dock Green 15

 

One of the details I added to both the warehouse and the factory was the downpipes.

 

The hoppers at the top are white-metal castings (from Scalelink) and the pipes are plastic rod. The pipe clamps are a compromise. A close look betrays my effort to be rather different to the real thing - however from any reasonable distance they pass muster.

 

This very unforgiving photograph is of the two components that make up a clamp - a small rectangle of HIP drilled and rounded off (drill it while it’s still on a strip!) and a piece of plastic rod formed into a “U”. Make a simple jig to form the “U” - drill a piece of board (MDF or ply’) and push in a piece of rod. Heat the plastic rod to be formed briefly over a candle flame and then bend it round the jig rod holding it flat until it has cooled. I discovered that if the “U” was set not quite parallel it would act like a spring in the two holes and would not need glueing.

 

Downpipes from plastic rod and tube, the hopper on this building is a spare loco’ sandbox casting.

 

Pipe clamps added. I use the drilled rectangles as drilling jigs, sliding them under the pipes and positioning them symmetrically, to start the drill into the wall.

 

If you cut a wedge shaped piece of thin sheet plastic or card it can be slid behind pipes to keep the paint away from the brickwork. If you haven't glued the clamps in place these can be eased away from the wall to paint.

 

None of this pipework is glued in place (although the joints are welded) and none has ever moved.

 

Chaz

Chaz,

 

Nice pipes.  I like the subtle details that can be found on industrial buildings.  I've not done any structures yet in 7mm and am looking forward to it.  Years ago I did some down pipes in HO.  I used plastic rod for the pipes and wrapped 2 turns of this wire from flex to represent the collared joints.  Not too bad if you don't look too close...

 

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Need to read through the rest of your thread, many thanks.


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 15:45

Details around Dock Green 16

 

This posting is about grass, weeds, shrubs etc. There are no trees on Dock Green. I did consider putting some behind the top of the retaining wall to hint at a park up there but when I discussed it with the team the consensus was against it as they would get in the way of operating.

 

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The small shrubs (brambles, hawthorne etc) I made by cutting or tearing rubberised horsehair into suitable shapes, dipping them in or spraying them with glue and then either rolling them in a box full of scatter or dropping scatter onto them while rotating them.

 

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Grass clumps were bought in batches from “Fields of Glory”. They do a variety of sizes and colours with lots in a pack, all with self-adhesive bases. You just pick 'em up with tweezers and place them in position. I know that you can make your own clumps and indeed I do own a static grass thingy but sometimes buying in rather than making is a way of buying time.

 

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A small shrub is a useful device for filling a too-obvious space and the green colour links up with other patches and avoids a cluttered look.

 

A few more snaps - but there are not many that I have already posted that don’t include some vegetation.

 

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Weeds will occur in many neglected corners where feet don’t tread and the gaps can emphasise where they do.

 

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Grass and wild plants usually grow along the foot of a fence. The only ones you might see with no line of green along the bottom will be across tarmac or concrete.

 

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Posted Yesterday, 07:53

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There are three bicycles on Dock Green, all made from etched brass kits.

 

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The orange bike…

 

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…and the green bike move about a bit. They are placed at each show and can be spotted in some of my photos in many different places. 

 

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I like the way a bike implies people nearby.

 

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The tradesman’s bike is always on the bridge. PC Dixon is “having a word” - could it be that he caught him riding on the pavement? The nice telephone box (a Peco item) was given to me by Chris Klein of Minerva Models. Looks quite at home there, does it not?

 

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Posted Yesterday, 08:23

Golly - I have just realised what that Fry's poster says at its foot. Who knew we had a king in 1958? 

 

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Posted Yesterday, 09:36

Golly - I have just realised what that Fry's poster says at its foot. Who knew we had a king in 1958? 

 

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And this version is pre-WW1 so HM is either KE VII or KG V.

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Posted Yesterday, 15:27

And this version is pre-WW1 so HM is either KE VII or KG V.

Chris

 

 

OH, do be quiet, Sir.



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Posted Yesterday, 16:10

OH, do be quiet, Sir.

And why?

 

Are you concerned that someone might think...  "so Dock Green has KGV on the roster?"  followed closely by "ah, Mr Chaz has gone over to the dark side and now appreciates the finer points of Swindon's finest - King George V himself (always known as KGV).


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Posted Yesterday, 16:19

And why?

 

Are you concerned that someone might think...  "so Dock Green has KGV on the roster?"  followed closely by "ah, Mr Chaz has gone over to the dark side and now appreciates the finer points of Swindon's finest - King George V himself (always known as KGV).

And of course KE VII was 6001, so there could be a brace of them on DG.


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Posted Yesterday, 17:23

Chaz might think that two to one is not playing fair.



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Posted Today, 08:42

And why?

 

Are you concerned that someone might think...  "so Dock Green has KGV on the roster?"  followed closely by "ah, Mr Chaz has gone over to the dark side and now appreciates the finer points of Swindon's finest - King George V himself (always known as KGV).

 

 

And of course KE VII was 6001, so there could be a brace of them on DG.

 

Now that's just silly. There's only one 4-6-0 allowed on Dock Green (and it doesn't have any of that copper-capped chimney nonsense).

 

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And it's a "namer".



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Posted Today, 08:52

Chaz might think that two to one is not playing fair.

 

 

Since when did GWR fans play fair? They always seem to end up relying on the questionable exploits of 3440 :sarcastichand: , and get quite cross if one mentions 4472, 2750 or 4468. :rtfm: .

 

Chaz



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Posted Today, 09:49

There's a (possibly apocryphal, and certainly unverifiable) story in one of Tuplin's books about a Saint going even quicker...








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