Michael Delamar Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 this kit I acuired last week which had already had its chassis built and some spares for another loco, mainly chassis parts. over the last few days while Ive had no internet access ive made a start on everything footplate up. this kit is really nice to build, lots of slot and tab and good instructions. brass is a little thin so it does get hot and stay hot quick but thats no problem. I did make one mistake,etched dimples inside the saddle tank give options for high or low handrail knob positions, I built up the saddle tank and picked the top position and fitted handrails, then realised id gone for the wrong option after i had soldered it to the boiler. it kept on bugging me even though it is only 1mm or so height difference, so yesterday i undone the boiler and drilled out the lower handrail holes and filled in the originals, something i find tricky to do with solder so in the future i will just use filler. there is a reason for this other than being fussy, these locos have lots of intricate lining, its something im not looking forward to doing but if i had left the handrails the lining wouldnt have been in the right position Im planning on painting this in the light green livery with black lining and red coupling rods, some locos carried black livery with a simpler gold lining. also to be considered is how to do the MD&HB lettering, as far as I know no transfers exist. loco will be fitted with a high level gearbox, there is plenty of space with more to spare for lead and will be DCC fitted, i would like it to have sound, these locos had a bell on the motion. wheels are romfords with etched covers, the centre ones will have the flange removed as per the prototype. the Mersey locos also had larger buffers and smoke arrestors and deflectors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share Posted August 18, 2012 Bell on the prototype.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/janfordsworld/5702867317/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Bell on the prototype.. Is that driven off the valve gear? If so, it would add a new dimension to modelling working inside motion Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share Posted August 18, 2012 yes it is, so the faster it went the faster the bell rang. the Liverpool based L&Y pugs and rapid shunters also had bells but I dont think they where permanantly attached to the motion like these, an old driver at Bank hall said he would tie the bell up. It would be good if i could get a sound recording done and have dcc sound, problem is mixing the loco sound and bell sound, i was thinking a recording of an american loco might be a good compromise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted August 18, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 18, 2012 what a charming little prototype your model seems to be coming on great & i look forward to seeing your progress BUT i don't envy you with all the lining to be done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share Posted August 18, 2012 I may chicken out and get a professional to do it but would need to ask round, the number and lettering needs to be handpainted aswel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Michael, Aero modellers use plain clear waterslide transfer (decal) sheets to do this sort of job. The plot is to draw out the lines you need on a computer using a graphics application then print them on an inkjet printer. I know it's a faf if you don't already have the skills, but it does work. An alternative is to use coloured decal film and cut and build up the lines you need in the flat and then apply to the model. I did this years ago, it does work but I had a lot more patience then. http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?adv=1&product_category_id=&product_division_id=&manufacturer_id=&product_type_id=1855&code=&scale_id=&keyword_search=&setPerPage=25&save_search_name=&save_search= Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share Posted August 18, 2012 only problem with decals is there is quite a bit of rivet detail even though its not really visible in those shots. ill paint the loco myself and have a go with a pen, i could make some templates from plasticard for the intricate corners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share Posted August 18, 2012 2 Mersey docks loco's are preserved, no 1 used to be displayed in the old Liverpool museum, but now the new museum isnt big enough to display it and its gathering dust in a warehouse in Bootle unable to be viewed. it would have been nice if it was displayed under the new overhead railway display. no 26 went to a playground in Skelmersdale, its now at the Ribble steam centre I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share Posted August 18, 2012 done a little bit more, bufferbeams front and back which overhang quite a bit on the sides, something id never noticed before. some locos look like they had reinforced bufferbeams. whitemetal buffers are supplied, however they stick out quite a lot and the head was the standard small size and a bit blobby, I know that they bolted larger ones to them in real life, however I soldered the whitemetal buffers to the bufferbeams then ground off the head and drilled them out. I had a rummage in the parts bin and found some a1 brass buffers and cut the head and shaft off and inserted them in the whitemetal ones, nice tight fit but will put some superglue in them. i found a few different sizes of a1 buffers, I think these may be for a class 47, although sods law I can only find 3 at the moment. smokebox door is superglued on but other whitemetal bits are just placed on at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Were the centre drivers flangeless? I had a look at no.26 in the playground photo, and there did appear to be a suggestion of a flange there..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share Posted August 18, 2012 Were the centre drivers flangeless? I had a look at no.26 in the playground photo, and there did appear to be a suggestion of a flange there..... im pretty sure they did, ive seen quite a few mentions of them having flangless wheels and they appear to have in several shots, there is a good shot of no 1 here, although because it looks worn it looks like it has a flange? http://www.flickr.com/photos/janfordsworld/5702873447/sizes/l/in/photostream/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 19, 2012 Author Share Posted August 19, 2012 example of the tight curves around Liverpool's dock road, the loco is a Hunslet 15inch which is available from Judith Edge kits and im hoping to get one of those soon. the curves on the layout are not as tight as the prototype. Liverpool Dock Road, UK, 1959 by stephenwolstenholme.t21, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 little bit more progress... fitting lead sheets in the rear bunker, internal cab bunker and inside the saddle tank. now has a good weighty feel to it, could fit more in the smokebox and also between the frames but probably wont be necessary. this loco glides through pointwork pushed by hand, you can tell I didnt build the chassis! ive also made the retractable smoke deflector, the deflector itself is a brass drawing pin, it maybe a little large and I may change with a buffer head maybe, but it I dont have many good photo's to go off at the minute, its fixed in the closed position over the chimney as this will spend most of its time under the overhead railway on the layout, this is the other reason I had to lower the handrails. please excuse overall grubbiness and blobby soldering it will be cleaned off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted August 20, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2012 Were the centre drivers flangeless? I had a look at no.26 in the playground photo, and there did appear to be a suggestion of a flange there..... All MDHB locos had flangeless centre drivers - right down to the last HC 0-6-0 diesels and even including the ultra short wheelbase fireless locos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 would have to to get round points like this... Liverpool North Dock Rail Tracks by Dave Wood Liverpool Images, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 MDHB no 1 in store.. http://bestieboy.smugmug.com/Trains/National-Museum-Liverpool/21423270_CsNXkt#!i=1707017780&k=L7Nts9j&lb=1&s=M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 good shot of prototype with smoke deflector.. http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/17780907_hXNDf2#!i=1487075251&k=7BzkK7D&lb=1&s=A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted August 20, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2012 Mike thats a good job - mine is very old now and having to get a dcc decoder in (just!) for Herculaneum took a bit of doing. Mine is black and has lettering courtesy of Mike - so he may still have a transfer ( or a master of one) and the lining... and if it had flanged centre drivers it wouldn't get to where it can(!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 thanks Barry with the high level gearbox in the firebox, there should be space in the front of the boiler for decoder, and then smokebox for more lead or 13mm sound speaker but thats a bit of a way off though a shot of the other side with a few more little details added. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share Posted August 20, 2012 i also aquired all these spare parts for another b3, including 2 wheels an axle and crossheads. if i had been smart and hadnt rushed into it I should have taken dimensions of the saddletank and cab sides before forming them as those are the only brass parts missing and I could have copied them for another b3. I wonder if the larger Avonside with square saddle tank shares the same chassis as I could have a go at scratchbuilding that maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfwit Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 From the spares box... 247 Developments etched smoke deflecters, made to be used with the Dapol Pug (along with etched number plates); There's no mention of these on their website, mine were bought many years ago at an exhibition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 Paul, do you have the diameter of them please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfwit Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Paul, do you have the diameter of them please? 1/4" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 thanks Paul, a shot of how I want the livery to be and some very fine lining which will make or break the model, Mike Edge suggested humbrol no 2 for the green, it looks similar to apple green to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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