blueeighties Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) How warm has it been today? Absolutely glorious. I'm glad I didn't have a whole lot to do indoors on the old workbench. The power car has been primed, and the 1st white stripe is on. The others have had that good old traditional HST livery element added, the splattered pigeon. I really need to get out more Edited June 8, 2013 by blueeighties 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin parks Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Hi Lee, Forgive me for asking another question, but how have you applied the white stripe on that power car. Is it done with a bow pen or by clever masking and spraying? Whichever way, it looks very neatly done. All the best, Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 9, 2013 Author Share Posted June 9, 2013 Hi Colin. Ask away mate! The joy of the forum. The picture is deceiving, I think you think the complete bottom half is masked off and painted white? What I have actually done is left the original painting reference line on that Hornby provide, as I will be painting along that line anyway. So my new white stripe has just been roughly painted along the middle of this line, white over grey is very difficult to see on a photograph. Sorry if that's a poor explanation. All should become clear as the other colours go on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAndy Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) Hi Lee, Liking your work mate. Splattered pigeon! great! Just picking up on the varnish debate. I've got an Iwata dual action and mainly use Railmatch enamels mixed with Precision quick drying, airbrushing thinners. I agree, it is getting expensive, but I've had consistent results with it and don't seem to have had any issues. I have in the past, when I got my new compressor, sprayed at too high a PSI which resulted in a very strange finish indeed - similar to the blooming which you described. What sort of mixing ratios do you use between the paint and thinners? I personally, don't take a particularly scientific appoach to it, as different colours and varnishes, have different consistencies, so whichever colour or varnish I want to spray, I thin it to something akin to milk - thin enough to get it through the airbrush, but not too thin so that whilst in the airborn stage between the end of the brush and the side of the model, the thinners has virtually evaporated so that it's near enough neat paint hitting the model, but not quite - as the thinners then lets the paint spread evenly on the flat surface. Its a bit of a conjuring act really and as you say, it can all depend on how far away you hold your brush from the target surface, how you actually hold the brush whilst spraying, what PSI you're using and how thin the varnish/paint is. I am quite fortunate though, in that my shed is fully insulated and has aircon, so I manage to achieve a steady temperature most of the year round. cheers Andy Edited June 9, 2013 by BigAndy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 9, 2013 Author Share Posted June 9, 2013 Hi Andy. I matt coated a pile of locos yesterday morning with Railmatch, and they all covered perfectly. Railmatch for me now! I use the same brush as yourself. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon020 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Hi Lee, Liking your work mate. Splattered pigeon! great! Just picking up on the varnish debate. I've got an Iwata dual action and mainly use Railmatch enamels mixed with Precision quick drying, airbrushing thinners. I agree, it is getting expensive, but I've had consistent results with it and don't seem to have had any issues. I have in the past, when I got my new compressor, sprayed at too high a PSI which resulted in a very strange finish indeed - similar to the blooming which you described. What sort of mixing ratios do you use between the paint and thinners? I personally, don't take a particularly scientific appoach to it, as different colours and varnishes, have different consistencies, so whichever colour or varnish I want to spray, I thin it to something akin to milk - thin enough to get it through the airbrush, but not too thin so that whilst in the airborn stage between the end of the brush and the side of the model, the thinners has virtually evaporated so that it's near enough neat paint hitting the model, but not quite - as the thinners then lets the paint spread evenly on the flat surface. Its a bit of a conjuring act really and as you say, it can all depend on how far away you hold your brush from the target surface, how you actually hold the brush whilst spraying, what PSI you're using and how thin the varnish/paint is. I am quite fortunate though, in that my shed is fully insulated and has aircon, so I manage to achieve a steady temperature most of the year round. cheers Andy Just be careful with those thinners; Precision recommends the slow drying thinners for varnish rather than the quick drying ones. I use Railmatch for both and have had no issues, apart from my cack-handed ineptitude it getting it wrong; but with practice it's getting better. Iwata Revolution and an old PremiAir G35. Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAndy Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Morning Jon, Yep, totally agree about the thinners. I've chopped and changed over the years, with mixed results and settled myself for the afore mentioned method. It's just that mixing in the way I described, using the quick drying thinners, suits my spraying style, brush and compressor. Like everyone has agreed, it's all about practice. I'm just finishing off a Rail blue, Eastfield based 47 and I will be posting some images on my Gallery in the next few days, so if anyone wants to take a look at how my spraying method works on a fairly large area of Rail Blue, feel free to have a peek. Cheers Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 9, 2013 Author Share Posted June 9, 2013 Look forward to seeing that Andy! One of my favourite liveries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon020 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Andy.., I've one of these to do too... yellow on ends sorted and now trying to find out when I'll have time (work/life/parenting/weather) to get around to doing it... but yes, the spraying large areas in one colour take practice. Looking forward to seeing how it turns out too. Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 9, 2013 Author Share Posted June 9, 2013 I have to agree with you chaps, I found blue sides one of the hardest things to get right. Everyone said yellow is, but I always find that easiest! Right, back to the barbecue! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 9, 2013 Author Share Posted June 9, 2013 The HST power car gets its first stripes. White is already on, tonight its been yellow and red. A nice hours relaxation after spending all afternoon demolishing an old building in the back garden 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 More work on the HST today. Needs a little bit of touching up here and there, but not bad 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Very nice Lee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 My fave hst livery and the one Ive chosen for my N gauge set! Looking good Lee. Cav 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) Thanks guys. The stripes were really tricky to do on this one, but it's turned out ok. A bit of weathering will hide the errors Edited June 10, 2013 by blueeighties Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon020 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Looks very good Lee... I'm sure you must be really rather happy with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 Cheers Jon. Some of the lining is not as sharp as I would like, but overall I'm happy with it. A bit of weathering will finish it off nicely. After varnish and transfers of course! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) Hi Lee. I'm being a bit picky here and for that, I sincerely apologise. The top Biege diagonal doesn't seem to line up with the bottom Biege on the left side to me. It might be my eyes or the angle of the picture, but please check it. I can't think how many times I've overlooked something like this only for it to become apparent when the transfers are on. Please don't think I'm being critical, it's probably my naff eysight. On the plus side, the paint application looks top notch. Cheers. Sean. Edited June 10, 2013 by the penguin of doom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 11, 2013 Author Share Posted June 11, 2013 Hi Mr Penguin. I think you could be right....when masking for these colours I did them separately, not actually realising I could have done then with one strip of tape correctly lined up, if you know what I mean. Thanks for that, airbrush back at the ready! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Lee whats your thoughts on matt varnish on the hst? I matt coated my n gauge one but Im not sure whether the matt finish looks right on them. I keep looking at mine and thinking should I whiz it over with a coat of satin instead? Cav Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 11, 2013 Author Share Posted June 11, 2013 That's interesting, I wonder if that's because you are working in a smaller scale? I matt coated the last 2 I weathered, and I think they look right. I may well be tempted to try satin on this one as they always had quite shiny bodysides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Well heres a cruel close up of mine. What you reckon? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 (edited) Hi Mr Penguin. I think you could be right....when masking for these colours I did them separately, not actually realising I could have done then with one strip of tape correctly lined up, if you know what I mean. Thanks for that, airbrush back at the ready!Thanks Lee. I hoped you didn't think there was any malice in my comment, apart from this, the work is smashing and I didn't want to put you off. I only ever did one of these, years ago and even though it was Blue/Yellow, I still found it difficult to get those angles right. Actually, I say Blue/Yellow, if memory serves, I did it Black/Yellow as per the livery priorof the first two prior to entering service. Cheers. Sean. Edited June 11, 2013 by the penguin of doom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 11, 2013 Author Share Posted June 11, 2013 Thanks Lee. I hoped you didn't think there was any malice in my comment Cheers. Sean. Not at all Sean, I never even noticed it myself! Constructive comment is always welcome and beneficial. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted June 11, 2013 Author Share Posted June 11, 2013 Well heres a cruel close up of mine. What you reckon? Looks good to me matey, I wouldn't like to be doing one in 2mm, 4mm is hard enough! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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