jonhall Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) BR porter leading goat from train onto platform. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=20 Goats tethered inside wagon. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=166 Frightened sheep in railway wagon. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=159 Images of horse, cow, sheep and pig with the number of hours that they are allow Description: Images of horse, cow, sheep and pig with the number of hours that they are allowed to be transported by rail. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=192 Use non-commercially: The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page Edited March 13, 2014 by jonhall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Homing pigeons being released from cages by trackside with freight (possibly pig Description: Homing pigeons being released from cages by trackside with freight (possibly pigeon) train behind. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=181 Cattle pens on platform with cattle wagons being loaded. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=72 Cattle wagons being loaded from pens on platform. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=73 Use non-commercially: The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page Edited March 13, 2014 by jonhall 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Horse being led into rail horse box. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=182 Horse being loaded into road horse box from rail horse box. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=183 Horse tethered inside railway horse box. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=184 Horse tethered inside railway horse box. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=185 Horsebox being loaded with horse and foal. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=186 Use non-commercially: The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page. Edited March 13, 2014 by jonhall 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Interior of rail horse box. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=195 Live Chicks in boxes awaiting transportation by rail. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=205 Live calves bound up in sacks awaiting transportation by rail. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=206 Live chicks in boxes awaiting transportation. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=207 Use non-commercially: The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page. Edited March 13, 2014 by jonhall 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Very nice Jon. The first one of the cattle dock is Holyhead. The horse entering the trailer is like the Oxford model. Looking through these pics has given hours of fun. Merf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Puppy in box awaiting transportation by rail. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=britishtransportcommission&item=292 Cattle pens in a railway yard 1909 Description: Midland Railway cattle pens at Derby, 26 November 1909. Cattle and other animals were often transported by train at this time. They were carried in ventilated containers which could hold food and could be easily cleaned out. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=derby&item=77 Cattle vans, 1909 Description: Midland Railway cattle vans at Derby, 26 November 1909. Cattle and other animals were often transported by train at this time. They were carried in ventilated containers which could hold food and could be easily cleaned out. Before the coming of the railways animals had to be moved on foot, which meant that they lost weight and therefore their value. However, with the coming of the railways animals could be traded further afield. http://www.nrm.org.uk/img/NRM/worksphotos/derby/1997-7397_DY_9164.jpg[/img http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=derby&item=78 http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=derby&item=79 Use non-commercially: The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page. Edited March 13, 2014 by jonhall 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 Livestock being loaded onto a train at Lincoln, 1935 Description: Cattle and sheep being loaded onto a train at Lincoln station, 1935. Before the coming of the railways animals had to be moved on foot, which meant that they lost weight and therefore their value. However, with the coming of the railways animals could be traded further afield. By the 1930s the numbers of animals being carried by train were rapidly decreasing due to the competition from road vehicles. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=euston&item=299 Livestock traffic, 1933Description: Pigs being loaded onto a London, Midland & Scottish Railway vehicle, 1933. The pigs have been transported to this station by rail, and will be delivered to their destination in a road vehicle. Before the coming of the railways animals had to be moved on foot, which meant that they lost weight and therefore their value. However, with the coming of the railways animals could be traded further afield. By the 1930s the numbers of animals being carried by train were already decreasing due to competition from road vehicles. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=euston&item=300 Livestock traffic, 1937Description: Cattle being loaded onto a train at a London, Midland & Scottish Railway station, 1937. The LMS offered a farm removal service, and in this instance transported a farmer's family, furniture, farm equipment and livestock using its road and rail services. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=euston&item=301 Use non-commercially: The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Loading cattle at Inverness, about 1939 Place: Inverness, Highlands, Scotland Description: Cattle and sheep in pens, waiting to be loaded onto a train at Inverness, about 1939. Railways transformed the transport of livestock. Until the nineteenth century animals had to be moved on foot, which meant that they lost weight and therefore their value. With the coming of the railways animals could be traded further afield, but by the 1930s the numbers of animals being carried by train were rapidly decreasing due to the competition from road vehicles. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=euston&item=306 Cows at Saffron Walden station, 1961 Description: Cattle being loaded onto a freight train at Saffron Walden station, 26 April 1961. The cattle are being taken to Bodmin in Cornwall, along with the rest of the farmer's equipment and stock. British Railways, like its predecessors, offered a farm removal service. It transported livestock, equipment, farmers and their families when they moved. However, by the 1960s the numbers of animals being transported by rail was in decline due to competition from the roads, and services ceased in the 1980s. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=124 Use non-commercially: The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page. Edited March 13, 2014 by jonhall 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Elephant being unloaded from ferry wagons at Harringay west for Tom Arnold's cir Description: Elephant being unloaded from ferry wagons at Harringay west for Tom Arnold's circus, Dec 1953. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=223 Circus elephants boarding a train, 1961 Description: Chipperfield Circus elephants being loaded onto a British Railways vehicle at St Botolph station, 28 September 1961. The elephants appeared in the epic film Cleopatra. Railway workers were used to transporting animals, although they mainly dealt with livestock being taken to markets! In the 1960s the numbers of animals being transported by rail was in decline due to competition from the roads. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=87 http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=88 http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=89 Use non-commercially: The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page. Edited March 13, 2014 by jonhall 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Close up of wagons from 6:40pm special cattle train in Chelmsford yard Description: Close up of wagons from 6:40pm special cattle train in Chelmsford yard, 10 October 1952 http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=105 http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=106 Use non-commercially: The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page Edited March 13, 2014 by jonhall 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted January 4, 2013 Author Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) Sheep being transferred from cattle wagon to cattle pens Description: Sheep being transferred from cattle wagon to cattle pens at Sheffield, September 1910. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=726 Farm removal, April 1934 Description: Farm removal, April 1934, Howarden to Stodbroke. Horses being loaded into horsebox. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=232 Royal Horse Artillary show jumping horses Description: Royal Horse Artillary show jumping horses for the 1965 Royal Tournament arriving at Liverpool Street station, having travelled from Germany via the Zeebrugge - Harwich train ferry, 1 July 1965. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=714 Royal Show traffic, 1960 Description: Soldiers loading Royal Artillery horses into British Railways horse boxes for the Cambridge Royal Show, 9 July 1960. The railway provided special vans for the transport of livestock, but by the 1960s faced increasing competition for this traffic from road transport. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=715 Untitled http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=873 llama and goat with horses in background at Harlow Town station Description: llama and goat with horses in background at Harlow Town station, part of Bertram Mills Circus from Colchester to Harlow, 19 May 1963. http://www.nrm.org.uk/ourcollection/photo?group=liverpoolst&item=928 Use non-commercially: The photo above is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA) licence. In a nutshell, that means it's free for any non-commercial use as long as you credit "© National Railway Museum and SSPL" and add a link back to this page Edited March 13, 2014 by jonhall 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Some great pictures here. We could have done with these last time we discussed loading cattle wagons. Good to see more examples of calves in sacks. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edward66 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Interesting to see the use of whitewash on cattle wagons varying from a huge amount on the MR wagons to nothing at all on a lot of others. I seem to remember reading when this practice ceased, maybe it was a localised thing anyway depending on the staff at the loading or cleaning area. Edward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Limewash was used as a disinfectant until (IIRC) 1926. Look at the dates on the above photos, the ones with lots of white are mostly 1909-10 whereas those without are thirties to fifties. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 5, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2013 Looking at the photos of Harlow Town, I thought they were normal Harlow commuters Seriously, was there a barrow crossing at the Bishop Stortford end of the platforms leading to the parcels offices (hidden by the train) because if not I cannot see it would have been easy getting the animals into the lift, up, over the bridge, into the next lift, down, and out through the station booking office? I ask this as one of my many "would like to build" layouts is one based on Harlow Town in the 1960s. I have drawn the station buildings, photographed the OLE etc. but items like barrow crossings have been removed. These would have been a feature in the 1960's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 First thing that occured to me when I saw those photos of Harlow Town was ' having unloaded a zebra onto the island platform, how do you persuade it to get into the lifts? ' Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 5, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2013 Looking at the two Royal Artillery photos. The one with the show jumper being unloaded is interesting that the lance bombardier is in full riding number two uniform, he would have been the groom not the show jumper. Yet the other of what I resume are the limber horses for Kings Troop RHA apart from the officer the men are all in stable dress of the period. Cattle wagons appear to have always been standard transport for artillery horses from the photos I have seen of regiments going to war or on exercise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted January 5, 2013 Author Share Posted January 5, 2013 Looking at the two Royal Artillery photos. The one with the show jumper being unloaded is interesting that the lance bombardier is in full riding number two uniform, he would have been the groom not the show jumper. . The caption claims that they were transported via the train ferry, I'm sceptical - thats deffinately a horse box, not a conventional van, but the only ferry-horse box I'm aware of is Fench, and there was only one example... Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 The caption claims that they were transported via the train ferry, I'm sceptical - thats deffinately a horse box, not a conventional van, but the only ferry-horse box I'm aware of is Fench, and there was only one example... Jon It could have travelled with a special derogation; this arrangement still obtains today, with EWS hooded coils, FKAs and others having travelled to France and beyond without being 'ferry-registered'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Jon, there's a note somewhere in my ferry archive - possibly Ransome-Wallis - of seeing a line of BR horseboxes at Zeebrugge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 I think I've fixed all the photos after the NRM moved or renamed most of them. J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Regarding wagons on the Train Ferry, I remember seeing a drawing somewhere on the net of a BR cattle wagon, modded for Train Ferry use. As well as the usual extra handles etc it was fitted with a urine retention tank. When a guard at Ashford I can remember one of the old guys telling me about calves in a sack. Apparently the parcels traffic could be enormous on some trains. In the same vein a driver told of turns on the Maidstone line, where you would leave Ashford and with the amount of shunting could require relief before getting to Maidstone. There was a 'box truck' (12 ton van) behind the loco that had small parcels for each station, so had to be in the platform at some point for unloading at each station. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitchinLoco Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Hi interesting pics. I remember the circus animals arriving at Hitchin station, then walking in procession to the common area which was quite a trek I would think. That was in the 50/60 s I believe. Are any livestock taken by rail these days do you know? Regards, Gordon W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Hi interesting pics. I remember the circus animals arriving at Hitchin station, then walking in procession to the common area which was quite a trek I would think. That was in the 50/60 s I believe. Are any livestock taken by rail these days do you know? Regards, Gordon W We regularly transport small pets (cats/dogs/ferrets) on the Shuttle (which runs on rails..) We also transport horses, provided the horsebox reaches certain standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Brian's post brought me back to this topic where Jon posted those fantastic links (which now seem out of action) at a time when I was wondering what happened to cattle at the other end of their final journeys. Where did the long distance cattle trains end up? Did they work into unloading docks at abbatoirs in the cities (I know that later on more were slaughtered in regional centres and transported as carcasses to market in insulated vans)? Are there any images showing unloading/holding around? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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