ianwales Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Hi all is anyone aware of a kit or sides for one of the LMS's 54ft suburban coaches please, the brake 3rd is Diag 1770/1771? I should have added in 4mm scale Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Three sources of coach sides/kits come to my mind Ian: Comet, 247 Developments and Mousa Models(Bill Bedford). Unfortunately, none of the sites show the diagrams you are asking about. No harm in asking them though. If anyone knows the answer it will be Coachman, aka Larry Goddard. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted January 30, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 30, 2013 Hi all is anyone aware of a kit or sides for one of the LMS's 54ft suburban coaches please, the brake 3rd is Diag 1770/1771? I should have added in 4mm scale Ian Modelling the LT&SR now Ian? ;-} The diagram is in the LMS carriage drawing book. You might be able to bash them from the ratio Midland suburban kits..... Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianwales Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 Modelling the LT&SR now Ian? ;-} The diagram is in the LMS carriage drawing book. You might be able to bash them from the ratio Midland suburban kits..... Andy No Andy David Jenkinson built an O gauge set of suburban coaches for Inkerman St using 2 57ft and 1 54ft coach just to have something different than a standard set of 57 footers and I fancied doing the same, some 54ft coaches were built for general service not just the LT&S Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 David Jenkinson built many coaches (7mm) from scratch using plastic sheet/strip. His book explains: http://britishrailwaybooks.co.uk/books/ISBN/1874103321.php Someone, perhaps on this thread, said that they had seen some of these coaches at first hand and that they had seriously deteriorated over the years. Strange that in the three websites I list above, which must cover practically every LMS diagram produced, there are no 54 footers. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 The Dapol, nee Airfix, suburbans could be a useful source of raw material. I am half remembering that somebody modelled Grays many years ago and cut up those coaches to make 54 footers. If I had three hours plus to spare I would happily trawl through the declining years of the Model Railway Constructor where ISTR it was all written down. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted February 3, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 3, 2013 Ian The Cathcart and later LT& SR coaches (aka Period II) might be do-able from the Dapol 57' coaches - not sure where else the 54@ coaches went If you are modelling pre 55 then you could always use the Bain Midland coaches (ex Slaters) - which I think David White cut down to 54' in O gauge. Else if you are looking for really different stock the ex L&Y coaches from Wizard may be an idea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianwales Posted February 4, 2013 Author Share Posted February 4, 2013 Ian The Cathcart and later LT& SR coaches (aka Period II) might be do-able from the Dapol 57' coaches - not sure where else the 54@ coaches went If you are modelling pre 55 then you could always use the Bain Midland coaches (ex Slaters) - which I think David White cut down to 54' in O gauge. Else if you are looking for really different stock the ex L&Y coaches from Wizard may be an idea Hi Barry According to David Jenkinson in MRJ 15 there were some 54ft coaches built for general use with 6 compartments, I have been in touch with Worsley Works and he is willing to etch a pair of sides for these coaches in due course. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted February 4, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2013 Hi Ian he does mention these in the LMS Coaches book - Thirds Diag 1768 - some at 9' one and a half" wide and others at 9' 3" wide The Bts of D1770/1771 included some driver trailers as well being potentially of two widths. All of these were panelled so the Dapol body is no use at all - and I don't think you can cut a set of comet sides to suit so the worsley works solution looks good - have you a suitable drawing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianwales Posted February 4, 2013 Author Share Posted February 4, 2013 Hi Barry I have the drawing from the article in MRJ(nos 15,18 and 22) and there is a drawing in the LMS coaches book, but, Allan of Worsley works already has the relevent drawings, incidentally DJ mentions in the MRJ that the lot no for the Brake 3rds was placed in D1770 which was the 7 compt one when the diagram of the 6 compt one was D1771. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jub45565 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Dragging this back kicking and screaming from over 3 1/2 years ago, do you know whether Allen still has the D1770 in the pipeline Ian? I have an interest in them for the push pull variant, sometime... Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianwales Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 Hi I haven't seen anything on his website, not sure if it was done or not. Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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