Glorious NSE Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) http://www.flickr.com/photos/46071258@N06/8469706195/in/photostream - on Flickr, attributed to the TPX website (Edit - Network Rail also have the image on their site now, so most likely theirs) 539843_467664359953872_1052947354_n by Swoody1500, on Flickr That suggests it's moved further since the aerial shot was taken, as it's now obviously slewed and part buried the up line as well... Northern Rail is still saying it might be clear by Monday, but I can't see that happening! Edited February 13, 2013 by Glorious NSE 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I doubt a month especially if it keeps raining. It's taken local government in Wales 2-3 months to stabilize small colliery slips (or even potential ones). On the other hand I suspect it wasn't costing their insurers £100/minute or whatever Network Rail will show is their costing for the event (including loss of traffic over the long term, reputational damage and everything else lawyers are paid to add to the bill) Can't see moving it 50 yards right helping either. Thats an awful lot of unstable material that has to be stabilized or removed. If it all goes then being 50 yards away isn't going to be safe, 500 maybe 8) If it was a sweepstake I think I'd put my pound nearer 12 months than one for a proper fix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 The media have noticed at last! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277984/Yorkshire-rail-delays-Major-disruption-rail-passengers-Yorkshire-tracks-left-twisted-colliery-landslip.html Looking at the Mail's pics, I don't think that 10mph TSR is going to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 More comments here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=467664359953872&l=9803f40f95 . Geoff Endacott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I gather Alton Towers will be bidding on the franchise 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted February 13, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) That's one heck of a mess. I can't see much passenger stuff going Donny, Gainsborough, Barnetby. Trans Pennines may well/will terminate/turn round at Donny (or less likely Thorne - no facilities) and it will then probably be bus sub or change at Donny & go to Hull with (maybe) bus over the bridge to Barton on Humber with a much enhanced shuttle on the Barton/Cleethorpes branch? There could also be shuttles between Scunny, Grimsby and Cleethorpes using the 'redundant' Donny/Scunny/ Cleethorpes stock? I don't suppose the Trans Pennines can transfer to the Hull route but that would seem a solution in the shorter term whilst the unholy mess is sorted? I don't think Hull Trains are overloaded on the Donny Hull stretch but I could be wrong. If the former is the case then TP passengers could be encourage/enabled to transfer to HT to Hull and then join the Barton bus as mentioned above. What will get b****red is the 'commuting' service in from the east to Donny on this route; bus sub will/would be horrible for those folks. It will be very interesting to see how the logistics for this work out re passenger services and more freight through Gainsboro' will be interesting for me. P @ 36E Edited February 13, 2013 by Mallard60022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 ... more freight through Gainsboro' will be interesting for me. P @ 36E Unfortunately most of the diverted stuff goes up the joint line to get back to Doncaster, not through 36E, as far as I can tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 13, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2013 The media have noticed at last! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277984/Yorkshire-rail-delays-Major-disruption-rail-passengers-Yorkshire-tracks-left-twisted-colliery-landslip.html Looking at the Mail's pics, I don't think that 10mph TSR is going to work. At least the ground shunt is still working........ Cheers, Mick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted February 13, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2013 The media have noticed at last! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277984/Yorkshire-rail-delays-Major-disruption-rail-passengers-Yorkshire-tracks-left-twisted-colliery-landslip.html Looking at the Mail's pics, I don't think that 10mph TSR is going to work. The Beeb's got in on the act too. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-21441070 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Astonishing pic on BBC - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-21441070 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gary H Posted February 13, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2013 The two pictures i saw at work today certainly showed 2 of those lines still usable, not anymore though The ground positon light that's still working made me chuckle! Thats a monumental task to repair that for certain, the mother of all land slips! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoitsPlayer Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 There was a full report on BBC Look North (Yorkshire), coming soon on i-player I think we all have to be thankful that no trains were running on the line at the time as the consequences would of been disastrous. Here is another shocking picture: http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/doncaster-news/tracks-destroyed-by-pit-spoil-heap-1-5407306 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Coachman would have that ripped up and relaid in a couple of days !!!!! Brit15 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted February 13, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2013 Current reports say 8 weeks minimum after the land has stopped moving - which is hasn't yet ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium figworthy Posted February 13, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2013 In view of the amount of movement, plus the fact that there is clearly pressure behind it (and I wonder if there are any old watercourses underneath it?) I suspect that a very large amount of material will have to be removed and/or re-graded to produce even a short term solution. I've only come across the sort of bigger slips which need to be back-filled and they seem to take tremendous amounts of material as what goes in can vanish as quickly as it's tipped. Here it's that process in reverse with potentially a very large amount of material moving both visibly and beneath the surface. The whole area is "wet". Up until the dutch coming in and drained it in the middle ages the easiest way to travel around there was by boat !. To be fair Stainforth (where the colliery is) was on the edge of the wet lands. I've probably still got some geological info at home. I might have a look at the weekend. Up until 1986, I used to live in Hatfield (which is a mile and a half away), we could hear the trains shunting at the loader on an evening. Adrian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted February 13, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2013 when i used to work into hatfield i always got some shut eye on the loco up by the ground frame end during loading (not a large bunker so generally 3 fills to load a train), i bet if the slip happened while i was sat there i probably wouldn't have noticed!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 As already suggested - forget rebuilding - just a new alignment well out of the influence of the present movement. Regards Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 The colliery is owned/operated by Hargreaves, I understand. This is a massive heap we're talking about, & I also hear that what seems to have started the heap moving was an old mine working collapsing. Initial movement was very slow, so wasn't really spotted, possibly not until the reason as to the cause of the rough riding leading to the 10mph TSR was being sought. It's just accelerating now, & the rain won't be helping either. Bad times. Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 If they built a new alignment what sort of protection from a repeat event would be required and what form would it be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted February 13, 2013 Author Share Posted February 13, 2013 looking at Google earth, any new alignment has got the M18 at one end, the station and junction at the other and some kind of lakes/ponds to the South, there is no cheap and easy solution Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 13, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2013 If they built a new alignment what sort of protection from a repeat event would be required and what form would it be? If they built it further away from the tip (or where it has got to so far) they'd need to look up George Stephenson technique for crossing Chat Moss if Google maps views are any indication. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted February 13, 2013 Author Share Posted February 13, 2013 they need to get serious, proper earth moving equipment and remove the tip, load it into trains at the station end of the site and take it to a big hole Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Trainshed Terry Posted February 13, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2013 The media have noticed at last! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277984/Yorkshire-rail-delays-Major-disruption-rail-passengers-Yorkshire-tracks-left-twisted-colliery-landslip.html Looking at the Mail's pics, I don't think that 10mph TSR is going to work. You bet me to it. It might work with magn-adhesion (If I have spelt it right) Terry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 and take it to a big hole Which big hole, precisely? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etched Pixels Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Much as like the idea of dumping it all on Coventry I don't think people grasp the sheer scale of that tip .. it would take years of trains to move it all to Coventry, Newquay or any other big hole. Alan 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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