RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 10, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 10, 2013 Finally: 39-650 BR MK2F FO First Open Blue & Grey39-650DC BR MK2F FO First Open Blue & Grey DCC39-652 BR MK2F FO First Open InterCity39-652DC BR MK2F FO First Open InterCity DCC39-675 BR MK2F TSO Tourist Second Open Blue & Grey39-675DC BR MK2F TSO Tourist Second Open Blue & Grey DCC39-677 BR MK2F TSO Tourist Second Open InterCity39-677DC BR MK2F TSO Tourist Second Open InterCity DCC39-685 BR MK2F RFB Restaurant First Buffet Blue & Grey (Preserved)39-685DC BR MK2F RFB Restaurant First Buffet Blue & Grey (Preserved) DCC39-686 BR MK2F RFB Restaurant First Buffet InterCity39-686DC BR MK2F RFB Restaurant First Buffet InterCity DCC39-700 BR MK2F BSO Brake Second Open Blue & Grey39-700DC BR MK2F BSO Brake Second Open Blue & Greym DCC39-701 BR MK2F BSO Brake Second Open InterCity39-701DC BR MK2F BSO Brake Second Open InterCity DCC39-725DC BR MK2F DBSO Driving Brake Second Open Blue & Grey DCC39-726DC BR MK2F DBSO Driving Brake Second Open ScotRail DCC Interesting to see a DBSO - presumably only corridor fitted for original Glasgow-Edinburgh use. I wonder if it'll eventually evolve into an Anglia or NR version? Or How long before a Ltd Ed version is announced. I guess there'll now be a mass sale of Airfix/Dapol/Hornby aircon Mk2's? Cheers, Mick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted March 10, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 10, 2013 Great news - at last some decent stock to hang behind my large logo 47s and 50s. The reappearance of the Mk2a TSO in NSE is nice to see as well - all those Ebay sharks will be disappointed! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kintbury jon Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Great news - at last some decent stock to hang behind my large logo 47s and 50s. The reappearance of the Mk2a TSO in NSE is nice to see as well - all those Ebay sharks will be disappointed! Yes I am pleased about the release of the NSE mark 2a - interesting to see that it has a completely different code as opposed to a lettered suffix. I wonder how well the blue/grey RFB will sell? Strikes me as a coach that may end up in the bargain bin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridwatcher Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Wow`!!! At last. I am salivating already, their coaches have been top notch all the way through. Think of all the liveries they can roll off that little lot?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryHN Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Also with this annoucment, I wonder what extras the DCC fitted ones will have??? Opening doors? Gary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridwatcher Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Also with this annoucment, I wonder what extras the DCC fitted ones will have??? Opening doors? Gary Nope. lighting and in the case of DBSO lights and we can hope for sound/horns too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Good news indeed. All we need now are the MK2C's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Hmmm - Gatwick Express.................? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 (edited) for the DBSO i reckon in addition to ceiling lights for the seated area, bank on a cab light, head and tail lights and and possibly an illuminated destination blind (if they had these). switches accessed above the cab roof like the 350 desiro. I agree that the RFB could be the ugly duckling of the range and end up in the bargain bin compared to the more widespread open coaches. I dont recall seeing many of these in BR days. you can almost smell the limited runs being eyed up by various retailers now.......anglian, swallow, scotrail, intercityscotrail, FGW, virgin XC and WC, caledonian sleeper, and with Dapols Class 73 coming soon we can be certain some GatEx aircons will eventually follow or be commissioned. makes sense. not sure we need to lay any criticism on anybody wishing to sell their old Mk2s on ebay to make way for the new stuff. whats wrong with that? Edited March 10, 2013 by Mod3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 not sure we need to lay any criticism on anybody wishing to sell their old Mk2s on ebay to make way for the new stuff. whats wrong with that? I think people are just referring to the price TSOs have been fetching while in short supply: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bachmann-OO-39-352-NETWORK-SOUTHEAST-MK2-TSO-COACH-/200899837453?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2ec6903e0d&nma=true&si=CLkz0oDCzYVRrU4G3Hs8ssK3%252F9c%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 for the DBSO i reckon in addition to ceiling lights for the seated area, bank on a cab light, head and tail lights and and possibly an illuminated destination blind (if they had these). switches accessed above the cab roof like the 350 desiro. I agree that the RFB could be the ugly duckling of the range and end up in the bargain bin compared to the more widespread open coaches. I dont recall seeing many of these in BR days. you can almost smell the limited runs being eyed up by various retailers now.......anglian, swallow, scotrail, intercityscotrail, FGW, virgin XC and WC, caledonian sleeper, and with Dapols Class 73 coming soon we can be certain some GatEx aircons will eventually follow or be commissioned. makes sense. not sure we need to lay any criticism on anybody wishing to sell their old Mk2s on ebay to make way for the new stuff. whats wrong with that? Maybe about time you looked at a DBSO ToF - a destination blind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 (edited) Ive now had a look at some images and can confirm definitely no destination blinds on these. As you were..... Edited March 10, 2013 by ThaneofFife Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I paid a small fortune for my Mk2d's last year. I dare say the new Bachy one will cost me less than what these old Hornby offerings costs me ill just have to take it on the chin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 10, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 10, 2013 . Think of all the liveries they can roll off that little lot?! Cue lots of limited editions in yellow....................... Cheers, Mick 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I paid a small fortune for my Mk2d's last year. I dare say the new Bachy one will cost me less than what these old Hornby offerings costs me ill just have to take it on the chin. A 2d is a different beast to a 2f and as they ran in mixed rakes were easily picked out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 oh.....tomat(e)o......tomato. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meld Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Cue lots of limited editions in yellow....................... Cheers, Mick And thay will be wrong, won't they Mick .... As nearly all yellow 2d/e/f's so far have bits filled, added, taken away, added again somewhere else, taken away yet again, holes, blanking plates, added boxes, lights etc ... Glad I have a selection of detailed pics of what I want to do with my cheap 2d's . HOWEVER, having said all that, each to their own with the Ltd Ed market ... Mike 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 The original idea to reuse 2f's and other air con stock came with the realisation with the HST fleet coming online just years after the mark 2 aircons had been built in 1979 50 plus were known to be "surplus" The main thrust began in 1987 with the rest being complete by early 90's, ten years after the scheme to recycle thrm into catering vehicles. I would think most would have been painted in intercity with swallow branding coming later. Ian I agree that the RFB could be the ugly duckling of the range and end up in the bargain bin compared to the more widespread open coaches. I dont recall seeing many of these in BR days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 10, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 10, 2013 And thay will be wrong, won't they Mick .... As nearly all yellow 2d/e/f's so far have bits filled, added, taken away, added again somewhere else, taken away yet again, holes, blanking plates, added boxes, lights etc ... Mike Probably only 1256 and 5981 are unaltered in NR use. Cheers, Mick (also with a supply of just enough Mk2's to fulfil my yellow plans) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 As Swallow arrived in 1987 you'll find that all the RFB conversions (and the similar RLO Lounge Cars) wore swallow from the outset. Good opportunity for Bachmann to have a complete (and correct) Virgin rake. I'm amazed they haven't gone for these as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 10, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 10, 2013 (edited) Maybe later, when they add CDL lights..... (DCC powered??) Cheers, Mick Edited March 10, 2013 by newbryford 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 (edited) I did try to edit my post.. but I couldn't for some reason save the changes... Tsot's would seem to have been finnished by Ilford with br intercity buffet branding but yes the Rfb's seem to be swallow! Ian Edited March 10, 2013 by Ian Fisher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 (edited) I did try to edit my post.. but I coulfnt for some reason save the changes... Tsot's would seem to have been finnished by Ilford with br intercity buffet branding but yes the Rfb's seem to be swallow! Ian I'm gonna be really rotten to you now, sorry. The Mk2D TSOTs were converted by Wolverton and York in 1980, being blue and grey at the time. I will agree that Ilford would certainly have repainted some of them into executive but only the RMBTs (6652, 6661, 6662 and 6665) carried the buffet branding on the coach sides. You may well be correct that Ilford did the conversions from TSOT to RMBT when they lost two sections of passenger seats instead of the original one section. In addition they did not have any of the windows filled unlike the RFBs. Edited March 10, 2013 by Flood 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 10, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 10, 2013 Good opportunity for Bachmann to have a complete (and correct) Virgin rake. I'm amazed they haven't gone for these as well. And when they do, I'm gonna buy a rake of them, de-brand them and stick 'em behind Tornado......... Cheers, Mick 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 (edited) Harris mark2 book page 125 has a pic of rmbt ex tsot 6661 (6611) intercity buffet branding dated as being converted April 86, it states Ilford EMUD carried out several conversions for intercity during this period. It seems the original tsot conversion was budgeted for £4000 per vehicle. I know Rfb were a different breed! Ian I'm gonna be really rotten to you now, sorry. The TSOTs were converted by Wolverton and York in 1980, being blue and grey at the time. I will agree that Ilford would certainly have repainted some of them into executive but only the RMBTs (6652, 6661, 6662 and 6665) carried the buffet branding on the coach sides. You may well be correct that Ilford did the conversions from TSOT to RMBT when they lost two sections of passenger seats instead of the original one section. In addition they did not have any of the windows filled unlike the RFBs. Edited March 10, 2013 by Ian Fisher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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