RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted March 10, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2013 (edited) I had a little rummage around the web to find some photos of the 64xxs. Here's a selection of the nicer ones - thought I'd share the links here in case anyone is interested. Both Russell's GWR locomotives and the Wikipedia site for the 64xx notes that one way to tell the difference between a 64xx and a 74xx was the join between the bunker and cab, with the 64xx class having a curved join and the 74xx having a straight join. This seems to be wrong. As quoted by Nick in the main Bachmann announcement thread, the RCTS volume states that no. 6430 was the first 64xx to have a straight cab/bunker join. This seems to fit with the photos found so far, except no. 6412 below, but it may have been modified during an overhaul? This has certainly whetted my appettite - not to mention modifying one into a 74xx! Selected photos on the web: No. 6403 at Snow Hill, 1937, cab/bunker join not clear, busy little engine! http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrbsh1793.htm No. 6407 (the one Bachmann are releasing in GWR livery), curved cab/bunker join, BR early crest: http://www.flickr.com/photos/phil-seaford/8208071267/ No. 6412, rusting away at Swindon, 1966 (?), straight cab/bunker join (?!): http://www.flickr.com/photos/60790501@N04/5809232761/ No. 6422 at Snow Hill, 1936, curved cab/bunker join, GWR Shirtbutton http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrbsh1762.htm No. 6430, preserved, straight cab/bunker join, w. auto coach: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rabbipx/6306401575/ No. 6435, 1960, BR early crest, - if you don't like this scene you're not human :-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/taffytank/8428258962/ No. 6435, preserved straight cab/bunker join, lovely action shot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/taffytank/5773103086/ No. 6437, Gloucester, 1963, straight cab/bunker join late crest lined out: http://www.flickr.com/photos/16749798@N08/4166048684/in/set-72157617567479618 No. 6438, straight cab/bunker join, GWR shirtbutton: http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/photolib/transport/GWR%2064xx%20Class%20Locomotive%201955.htm Drawings and overviews on the web: 64xx and 74 xx drawings: http://www.champwilde.f9.co.uk/gwdrawings/locoindex.html Jim Champ's "beginner's guide to GWR pannier tanks": http://www.gwr.org.uk/nopanniers.html Edited to add/modify links. Edited March 11, 2013 by Mikkel 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted March 10, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2013 Thanks for this Mikkel.You will need one for your 1947 The Sidings project too. Gloucester may have had one. One for researching. Nice to see one in 1955 with shirtbutton livery. 6407 is one of the Laira six I mentioned earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted March 10, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2013 Yes I'm sure we are many who can see a slot for this! (I might go for a 74xx non-autto fitted mod for the sidings though). I do wonder though if that 1955 date for no. 6438 is actually correct? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Brinkly Posted March 10, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2013 Thanks for posting Mikkle. I too am really looking forward to the Bachmann model. Lots operated in and around Plymouth over the years, I'll have a look through my collection and see if I can add anything to this thread. Regards, Nick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Chassis (with smaller wheels) could be adapted for use in the 16xx. Could that be next? Hopefully makes the Westward kit redundant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted March 10, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2013 Here's another [6422]in shirtbutton livery in 1936. http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrbsh1762.htm A website here on the Saltash rail services including 64xx workings. http://www.plymouthdata.info/Railways-GWR%20Railmotor%20Service.htm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 ...I do wonder though if that 1955 date for no. 6438 is actually correct?No way, it's too clean, looks like it has bunker steps and maybe a small whistle shield but no top feed. I'd say it was as built in 1937. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted March 11, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2013 Chassis (with smaller wheels) could be adapted for use in the 16xx. Could that be next? If I'm not mistaken, that would also provide the chassis for a 2021, which - like the much later 16xx - also seems to have had 4' 1½ driving wheels and a 7'4" , 7'4" wheelbase. In fact, you could argue that Bachmann could have done this chassis instead of the 64xx from the beginning, thereby allowing use of the same chassis for a pre-grouping (2021 with saddle tanks), grouping (2021 with panniers) and a BR built (16xx) loco. However, the first and last of these would miss out the GWR grouping modellers, whereas the 64xx addresses this segment plus the BR segment, so market-wise it is probably a wise decision... I'm certainly content with the 64xx and associated 74xx option. This is the first of the "small" panniers we see in RTR form, although it could be argued that it's a hybrid between the small and large pannier classes as it has the body of the former but the wheels of the latter! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted March 11, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2013 A website here on the Saltash rail services including 64xx workings. http://www.plymouthdata.info/Railways-GWR%20Railmotor%20Service.htm There's a photo on ebay (auction ended, so won't link to it here) showing a 64xx at Saltash in 1959 with 4 autocoaches. Bachmann could argue that you'll need 4 of their coaches - I wonder if they'll provide different numbers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted March 11, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) There's a photo on ebay (auction ended, so won't link to it here) showing a 64xx at Saltash in 1959 with 4 autocoaches. Bachmann could argue that you'll need 4 of their coaches - I wonder if they'll provide different numbers!Most Motors were two corridor connected auto cars to Dia's Q, R, V, W & X. SS Edit to add Dia X Edited March 11, 2013 by Siberian Snooper 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cary hill Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Presumably the "unrecorded station" is Plymouth in this shot of an unlined 6400 ? : http://www.semaphoresandsteam.com/p150609566/h420afc44#h420afc44 Probably two years premature, but there are colour photographs in "Western Steam in Colour" by Hugh Ballantyne (Jane's) on pp38-39 of a lined 6430 on a Yeovil "shuttle" and a lined 6400 at rest at Tavistock South (8/8/61) which might prove very useful for weathering purposes. The one of 6400 is an excellent close-up view and I think it is a cropped version of the photo thumbnail used on Bachmann's site 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted March 11, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2013 Which of the RCTS volumes has these locos in please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Part 5, 6-coupled tanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bigcheeseplant Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 A photo of a 64XX at Aylesbury 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted March 11, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2013 A photo of a 64XX at Aylesbury Nice backhead detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted March 11, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 11, 2013 Chassis (with smaller wheels) could be adapted for use in the 16xx. Could that be next? Hopefully makes the Westward kit redundant. You mean the one in my cupboard ! ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted March 11, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2013 Very glad to see this class being modelled at last, saves time on trying to find the white metal kit for it! Looking at RailUK 6403 was sheded in Bristol at nationalisation, so I think that will have to be modelled. Will be interested to hear any more about it, I am assuming no top feed? Think I will be emailing High Level tomorrow to state my interest in a replacement chassis for it..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bigcheeseplant Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) Here is a photo of 6403 at Aylesbury black tanks green splashers and a lined green cab! Looks like it had a top feed here Edited March 11, 2013 by David Bigcheeseplant 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwinian Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 What odds Bachmann go for the easiest option and produce the slightly earlier 54xx? Same body but 5'02 wheels, the same (haven't checked crank position or spoke number) as the Collet goods. Maybe too small a difference to be worthwhile . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 ...I do wonder though if that 1955 date for no. 6438 is actually correct?That photo is actually a very poor version of the one in fig 508 of Russell vol 2. It looks rather like an official photo so makes me wonder about that guy's claim to copyright. Nick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 You mean the one in my cupboard ! ! There's always eBay.... *kof* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted March 11, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2013 I think Bachmann must be aware of the cab join because the Hattons listings have the cab type as TBC. http://www.ehattons.com/60879/Bachmann_UK_31_637_Class_64xx_0_6_0_Pannier_Tank_6400_BR_Lined_Green_with_late_crest_Cab_type_TBC/StockDetail.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted March 11, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) Just to keep the pic links together, the one I posted of 6407 in the announcement thread: No. 6407, Newton Abbot, 1938, Great Western livery, curved cab/bunker join, no top feed. http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/large-negative-gwr-steam-loco-6407-168636367 Edited March 11, 2013 by 57xx 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted March 11, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 11, 2013 6412 at Chalford on, (I think), the last day of services there. Thanks Dave 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Another interesting feature that I've so far only seen on members of the first lot (6400-9) but haven't found any mention of. The best picture is 6403 in an early-mid thirties photo (Russell fig 507, see also 5403 in fig 501). It is also visible on some of the photos posted above and not always on the same side. This is a vertical plate about 4-6" wide from tank edge to running plate, towards the front of the middle splasher. It appears to be carrying a small box of some form (oil?). Mounted just in front of this is a more conventional oil box with about four oil pipes emerging from the bottom and disappearing towards the frames. Presumably an early feature that was removed later as I've not seen it on post war photos, so may not be of much interest unless you are contemplating serious surgery on your Bachmann model... Nick 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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