Dave F's own black and white photos, 1960s completed 30th December

[DaveF]

Some months ago I wrote in my thread of Dad's photos that in due course I would scan my black and white negatives, or at least the ones I still have - I sold a lot of them a few years ago.  I know some are in the hands of RMWeb members.

 

I've at last made a start on them  and will gradually add them to this thread - but it will probably certainly not be every day.

 

The first twenty or so are from my Brownie 127, so don't expect quality!  The images taken from 1965 are on 35mm film so will be much better.

 

When I first had the Brownie I was about eleven, so film was a special treat.  I can't remember the price of film, but a surviving negative wallet gives the film development price as 2 shillings.  I always did my own printing.

 

The first four are below.  I eventually learnt not to cut off the front of locos!

 

Probably Stoke Works Junction LMS Class 5 southbound ex pass c1960 brownie 001

 

 

Dunford Bridge EM2 pass Sheffield to Manchester 1960 brownie 002

 

 

Dukeries Junction A4 down light engine Sept 60 Brownie 003

Some of you may have seen this one before.

 

 

Millers Dale Cressbrook Tunnel LMS 8F down limestone Oct 60 brownie 004

 

David

Edited December 30, 2013 by DaveF

[Oldddudders]

I trod the Brownie 127 route at a similar age, but my pics were a great deal worse than yours! And doing your own printing at that age puts you well up the ladder in overall photo competence, although no doubt there were family encouragements and tuition on hand. Whatever, a pleasure to see your own pics. More please!

[Mallard60022]

Oh the joys to come on these (now) dark, winter evenings.

Phil

[Peter Kazmierczak]

Oh the joys to come on these (now) dark, winter evenings.

Phil

 

I'll second that.....

[DaveF]

Tonight's offering is four more Brownie photos, two actually have trains on them.

 

Millers Dale Cressbrook Tunnel 4F up light engine Oct 60 brownie 005

 

 

Royal Albert Bridge from the Plymouth side c1961 brownie 007

I do have two more negatives taken here which are supposed to have trains on them but I was far too late pressing the shutter and just have some blurry carriage roofs so have not scanned them.

 

 

Solent off Portsmouth PS Sandown Portsmouth to Ryde ferry c1961 brownie 008

I think I took this while I was sailing.

 

 

Tuxford A1 up ex pass Sept 60 brownie 009

A  Brownie 127 was not the best camera for pictures of moving trains.

 

David

 

 

 

 

[JeffP]

Still nice pics, slight blurring or no, they evoke memories.

 

I can still get front-end blur using a modern DSLR........

[Mallard60022]

Like that Tuxford signal.......

P @ 36E

 

Edit: for PD & SWR.. apologies -----  I like the signal in the Tuxford photo.

Edited October 29, 2013 by Mallard60022

[seahorse]

Just looked up Royal Albert Bridge in Pryer signal box diagrams vol 14. It shows the subsidiary arm as a "W".

Also to help narrow down the dating "track layout into use 10-07-1961

[beast66606]

Just looked up Royal Albert Bridge in Pryer signal box diagrams vol 14. It shows the subsidiary arm as a "W".

Also to help narrow down the dating "track layout into use 10-07-1961

 

W = Warning = line clear to home signal only. A restricted acceptance without the usual 440yds clearance.

 

Possibly provided to allow a freight to head away from us over the single line whilst one is approaching the box on the other side, perhaps there wasn't a full 440yds at the other box and so, without the 'W'arning arrangement a freight would have to wait here until the other had stopped, making moving the traffic trickier (note this is conjecture based on my knowledge of Reg 5 rather than this prototype!)

[The Stationmaster]

The subsidiary Warning Signal beneath the Down Starter at Royal Albert Bridge 'box was brought into use w.e.f. 10 July 1961 at the same time as the introduction of Acceptance Lever working of the single line over the bridge.

 

ABR 5 acceptance was authorised in both directions at Saltash for all classes of train but with a prohibition on the acceptance of Up passenger trains when the Up Main was fouled at the western end of the Loop Siding by a Down passenger train or any other movement with a loaded passenger train.

 

Notwithstanding a Modified Clearing Point (383 yards) for Up trains the whole situation at Saltash was fairly cramped and trains could easily get delayed at busy times hence no doubt the authorisation of Warning Acceptances as a train in either direction waiting Line Clear would inevitably prevent acceptance of a following train.  Throw in the fairly intensive local service with most trains reversing at Saltash and things would be quickly brought to a standstill without permitting warning Acceptances, and indeed relatively unusual for them to be allowed for freight trains on a line heavily used by passenger trains on the Western.

 

Oddly the situation was almost reversed at the Devon end where basically the standard arrangements were applied and Down Trains had to be held at RAB's Home Signal until Up trains had cleared the single line.  However what is not clear is if this could be 'got round' by putting a Down train down the Loop where it would have been running towards the trap point in advance of the Inner Home.

[DaveF]

Another 4 this evening.

 

Tuxford Class 40 up ex pass Sept 60 brownie 010

 

 

Millers Dale Cressbrook tunnel 4F banking limestone Oct 60 brownie 006

The mark is not a fingerprint, it is a scanning artefact as the film would not stay flat in its holder.

 

 

Dunford Bridge Class 76 westbound freight 1960 brownie 012

 

 

Kirkby in Ashfield 8F 48282 l e April 64 brownie 011

 

 

David

[Mallard60022]

Mallard,

 

Now you have confused me!  Tuxford shows a junction signal, with a slotted distant arm below the up starter for the main route. The Royal Albert Bridge down starter has a small subsidiary arm between the Track Circuit Rule 55 plate and the Saltash Fixed Distant.  That is what I am asking about, as it would signal a 'restrictive' move onto the single line section between RAB box and Saltash.

See my edit in my post mate.

P

[DaveF]

Tonight we have one more from Dunford Bridge and some from Derby.  If you think you've seen them before you haven't - but some were taken when I was out with Dad with both of us taking photos.

 

Dunford Bridge EM1 Class 76 westbound freight 1960 brownie 015

 

 

Derby Crab up freight c1961 brownie 013

 

 

Derby Patriot 45544 down freight c1961 brownie 014.

 

Derby 3F light engine c1961 brownie 016

 

 

David

 

 

[Peter Kazmierczak]

Can't have too many shots of Derby.....

[Mallard60022]

That's really spooky Dave as myself and friends were just discussing Patriots this very p.m. We were at Donny so I have no idea why.......? May have been mention of Bristol and West of England Rovers in the very early 60s; oh bliss.

Love the Crab too.

However, oh how boring Derby is now compared to then......(sorry Derby).

P 

[DaveF]

I got back  rather too late last night from the camera club to post any images.

 

This evening's are at Grantham around 1963 and are the last of the Brownie 127 images. From the next batch we'll be looking at photos taken on 35mm film with a decent camera.

 

Grantham A3 60049 Galtee More down ex pass c1963 DBR404

 

 

Grantham A3 60106 Flying Fox down ex pass c1963 brownie 017

 

Grantham A2 60522 Straight Deal light engine and A3 60059 Tracery just backing on to up ex pass c1963 brownie 018

 

 

Grantham A4 60026 Miles Beevor up ex pass slipping on departure c1963 brownie 019

 

David

Edited November 1, 2013 by DaveF

[DaveF]

This evening I'm making a start on my 35mm negatives.

 

Early in 1965 my parents moved to Harrogate, I joined them in the summer after staying for several months with friends to take my O levels.

 

That summer I was given a Yashica Minister 2D - the link to flickr (not my site on it) gives some details of it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/32113303@N07/3183447333/

 

Most of the photos were taken on Ilford FP3 (100ASA) or HP3 (400ASA) negative film.  I found I could afford about 1 film a month while in the sixth form and later at University.

 

Some years ago I sold most of my negatives, some RM Webbers own a number of them.  Having checked I still have about 250 most of which I will use in this thread.  I will not be posting copies of anything I have sold.

 

They are a mix of steam and diesel (mainly diesel) together with a number of specials.  There are also some trams, preserved locos and miniature railways.  They cover the period September 1965 to May 1969 when I changed to colour slides.

 

They are not in strict chronological order but most are dated.

 

A number have been on RMWeb or flickr before but never all together and I have taken the opportunity to re scan them using Vue Scan software with my Minolta Scan Dual III which is giving much better results.

 

They are not all technically brilliant but I hope they will give a taste of the period and that at least some will be useful.

 

So here are the first four.

 

Collingham Bridge tamper October 1965

 

 

Gargrave down Thames Clyde Mk2 coach in blue and grey October 1965

 

 

Middleton Railway Y7 0-4-0T 1310 October 1965

Taken at an open day.

 

 

Leeds City west end during rebuilding April 1967

The distant steam loco is an unidentified Britannia.

 

 

David

 

 

 

[AberdeenBill]

Dave, the first picture in post 6 (the 4F at Millers Dale) is one of the strangest and most beautiful railway photos I can remember...    Thank you!

 

Bill

[DaveF]

Four more for today.

 

I hope you like the people at the Middleton Railway.

 

The Deltics were taken from the Dad's Jaguar Mark 9 on the A1 as we were heading south. Obviously I was not driving, I would have been sitting in the back and took them through the window.

 

The crane at York captioned as a misty day was also bitterly cold with a lot of frost and a few damp patches.  For some reason I must have decided to take the train from Harrogate to York for the day to watch trains.  I don't think I'd do it in that weather nowadays.

 

Middleton Railway Brake van October 1965

 

 

North Muskham Class 55 down Pullman taken from car April 66

 

 

South Muskham Class 55 down ex pass taken from car April 66

 

 

York Class 08 and breakdown crane on a misty day Feb 66

 

David

Edited November 3, 2013 by DaveF

[DaveF]

This evening's batch.  All at Harrogate.  

 

 Harrogate B1 61337 11 40am ex pass Harrogate to Kings Cross Nov 65

 

 

Harrogate B1 61337 11 40am ex pass Harrogate to Kings Cross Nov 65

 

These are the first two of a series of photos taken while the down line across Harrogate Stray was being relayed, which I will post over the next couple of days.  Some have been seen elsewhere before.

Harrogate tracklayer June 66

 

 

Harrogate tracklayer June 66

 

David

 

 

 

[Oldddudders]

Not my patch, not my prototype, but the pics of the B1 in the snow are absolutely stunning. You already knew how to handle a camera!

[jonny777]

Some wonderful nostalgic photos there. I love the one of Dukeries Junction, as I never realised that the trackwork was quite as complex as that.

 

I think that b&w film was about 4/6 for a roll when I bought my first one, but that might have been a few years later than when you started. Photography was an expensive hobby in those days. I bought a Halina camera from an aunts Kays catalogue, and paid her in weekly instalments. It was the only way, but even then (as I did not develop or print my negs) it cost around 10/- to have them processed at Boots, with variable results.

 

However, it is quite surprising just how many acceptable results can be tweaked out of the negatives with todays scanning software.

 

My favourite from my own efforts being this

 

 

[DaveF]

Interesting to see an ex GWR 'Toad' on PW duties near Harrogate!  I cannot enlarge the image enough to read the number to work out the diagram number though.  Are you able to Dave?

 

A crop of the original scan at full resolution is below.  The number is W68499.

 

  Brake van from tracklayer photo  Crop of Scan-121001-0039

 

Hope this is some use.

 

David

[DaveF]

Some more of the p w work at Harrogate this evening.

 

I remember that I only found out that the track was being relayed when one Sunday morning there seemed to be a lot of noise at the railway, looking out of my bedroom window I could see an 08 so went to investigate.  Those who know Harrogate well will probably be able to work roughly where I lived back then!

 

Harrogate tracklayer June 66

 

 

Harrogate Class 40 D242 pw train June 66

 

 

Harrogate track train June 66

 

 

Harrogate Class 08 and tracklayer June 66

 

 

David

[great central]

As a slight aside to the GW brake in Harrogate, in the mid 80s (I think) I was most surprised to see one parked in what was left of Newark Northgate yard while visiting an adjacent factory. Unfortunately I have no further info about it as my interest in railways was at a low ebb at the time.

I did see an appeal from a preservation group about the same time looking for one, so passed the info on. I've no idea if anything came of it though.