brian777999 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Who makes/sells a 4mm GWR class 517 loco kit ? I have tried sending David Geen emails but I do not get a reply. I did see an Alan Gibson kit for sale but I cannot access the website for some reason. It sold on ebay for big money ! Does he still make them ? Is there anybody else that could sell me one ? Edited October 29, 2013 by brian777999 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlewis Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Alan Gibson still lists the 517 class in the list of kits he produces but so far only 5 people have registered an interest in buying one so I suspect quite a way to go before he will consider a new batch of 12. Register an interest and be prepared to wait some time before you get one http://www.alangibsonworkshop.com/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meil Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) While you are waiting why not order (Mitchell kit) one from David Geen - www.davidgeen.co.uk Edited October 29, 2013 by meil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian777999 Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 While you are waiting why not order (Mitchell kit) one from David Geen - www.davidgeen.co.uk I have sent numerous emails and I get no reply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I think David - pending any new website / e-mail / telephone facilities - will respond to an enquiry accompanied by SAE..... Do you have his address? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian777999 Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 I think David - pending any new website / e-mail / telephone facilities - will respond to an enquiry accompanied by SAE..... Do you have his address? I do have his address but as I live in Australia it would be much quicker to use email or the telephone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 I do have his address but as I live in Australia it would be much quicker to use email or the telephone. The sales@ address one is not working at present. Try david@davidgeen.co.uk though he is away until next week. Still made and one of his most popular kits. He had a couple on the shelf recently. Other past producers of the 517 are a cast kit with brass chassis by McGowen models and Mallard/Blacksmith. The Gibson kit is the ex M&L kit. Mike Wiltshire 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaScala Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) MRJ 221 & 224 detail exquisite build of Mitchell 517 that must be a scaled version of the gem being tackled by Ozzyo on this forum right now. Edited October 31, 2013 by LaScala Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81E Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I've designed a body shell for the Hornby 14XX which is broadly based on Fair Rosamund in her final condition. It is currently available from Shapeways as a BETA print as I have yet to try the final version on the chassis. I am currently awaiting what I hope will be the final test print. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I do have his address but as I live in Australia it would be much quicker to use email or the telephone. I have one of the old M&L kits sitting on my shelf which is surplus to requirements. It lacks any refinements Alan Gibson may have made but still better than the McGowan one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81E Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) I eventually received delivery of my final print. The fit on the body is a bit tight but it works (see below). The next stage was to start modifying the chassis and add handrails and find some suitable whistles. I have now drawn up two open cabbed versions (Belper and round topped fire box versions) and am awaiting delivery of these. Their Shapeways computer generated images are shown below: Edited October 24, 2015 by 81E 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian777999 Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 81E : is there any further progress on your 517 ? I cannot see the 517 listed in the Alan Gibson catalogue. I can't see any locos at all listed ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Funny this should come up today, as SE Finecast have just announced a whitemetal/ nickel silver chassis kit for release in early 2017: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/117704-south-eastern-finecast-gwr-517-0-4-2t/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassey Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Mallard/Blacksmith also did a 517 which occasionally come up on auction sites. I have seen the Mitchell one on David Geen's stand at exhibitions this year. Don't know if the SE Finecast one is the old Gibson one; it would not surprise me as they probably did the castings for that anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I have a whitemetal kit built Metro? with Fair Rossamund on it, unless its another make which Southeastern Finecast are now re-releasing. Could it be anything to do with the NuCast partnership? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I have a whitemetal kit built Metro? with Fair Rossamund on it, unless its another make which Southeastern Finecast are now re-releasing. Could it be anything to do with the NuCast partnership? Well it shouldn't be a Metro! I thought SEF had got hold of Ks/Nucast, but was unaware that these ranges included a 517. If it is a part re-issue, I would expect it to have been fully revised, new chassis etc. I know that SE have said that they will not necessarily be able to revive all the Ks kits, and that some probably require a lot of work. Wills/SE Finecast have had a Small Metro in their range forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Ks did not do a 517, nor did Nucast, iirc. The only previous whitemetal-based 517 was I think the M&L one. (Inherited by Alan Gibson.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) Ks did not do a 517, nor did Nucast, iirc. The only previous whitemetal-based 517 was I think the M&L one. (Inherited by Alan Gibson.) Thank you. Yes, I had not thought the 517 was ever done by Ks/Nucast! Ks did a 4800. I have, somewhere, an old M&L whitemetal 517. I assume that this is a brand new kit. I would expect it to be to modern standards and, given this and the chosen media, to offer a non-tortuous build, so I am more than willing to have a go. Edited December 9, 2016 by Edwardian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams442T Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Oh dear Edwardian, what have you got me into now.......... I just (out of interest, nothing else) looked at the SEF website, and.............. The list started with the delightful GER J67/69, then I thought the SR Wainwright 'D' looks nice, that's just the first page.... Hmmm, the SECR Cranetank looks good too, and of course my Aldersbrook (East London layout) could just about justify a Metro Class 'F'........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassey Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Thank you. Yes, I had not thought the 517 was ever done by Ks/Nucast! Ks did a 4800. I have, somewhere, an old M&L whitemetal 517. I assume that this is a brand new kit. I would expect it to be to modern standards and, given this and the chosen media, to offer a non-tortuous build, so I am more than willing to have a go. I built an M&L 517 in P4 when they first came out. IIRC it was fairly straightforward. Being a small tank engine, there's not much to it. I think the Gibson update was probably to include an etch running plate amongst other refinements which probably made it harder to build. I've acquired a High Level 14XX chassis that I'm going to put under mine when I get round to it. I doubt that anyone will be able to tell the difference. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Oh dear Edwardian, what have you got me into now.......... I just (out of interest, nothing else) looked at the SEF website, and.............. The list started with the delightful GER J67/69, then I thought the SR Wainwright 'D' looks nice, that's just the first page.... Hmmm, the SECR Cranetank looks good too, and of course my Aldersbrook (East London layout) could just about justify a Metro Class 'F'........... Well, I feel for you. Stage one are some spare parts for the RTR bodges on the bench. But, then .... A number of LB&SCR and SE&CR loco kits, the GE Buckjumper and - NOW - a GW 517! Don't forget, SEF also produce the elaborate full Wainwright lining transfers, too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) I have a whitemetal kit built Metro? with Fair Rossamund on it, unless its another make which Southeastern Finecast are now re-releasing. Could it be anything to do with the NuCast partnership? I had one. I cannot remember who made it; they also did a Patriot, came in a blue box. Mike Wiltshire Just spoken to the chap I sold it to. McGowen. cast whitemetal with nickel chassis.Came with Fair Rosamund etched plates. MW Edited December 10, 2016 by Coach bogie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethashenden Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 81E : is there any further progress on your 517 ? I cannot see the 517 listed in the Alan Gibson catalogue. I can't see any locos at all listed ! The locomotive kits aren't in the catalouge. They are in a separate part of the website under "Kits" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freelancer EM Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Hello. 4mm unmade kits for the 517 appear occasionally on ebay, it is worth putting up a search. The big turn-off for a prospective new kit is possibly that there were so many variations that there were scarcely two the same by 1930 or so. Some of the differences were fairly minor, but the fitting of outside frame trailing wheels on some to overcome the ongoing issue of hot running bearings, roundtop vs. belpaire fireboxes, and lengthening of the frames from the early version, presents a challenge. So far as I'm aware and as previously said, there have been just the M&L and Gibson ones in recent years - not sure if the Mallard one became one of these. All depicted the locos in later years, if anyone wants to see one in Victorian era, they'd probably need to revert to scratchbuilding. See how many differences there were by taking a look at the RCTS GWR locos partwork. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) Hello. 4mm unmade kits for the 517 appear occasionally on ebay, it is worth putting up a search. The big turn-off for a prospective new kit is possibly that there were so many variations that there were scarcely two the same by 1930 or so. Some of the differences were fairly minor, but the fitting of outside frame trailing wheels on some to overcome the ongoing issue of hot running bearings, roundtop vs. belpaire fireboxes, and lengthening of the frames from the early version, presents a challenge. So far as I'm aware and as previously said, there have been just the M&L and Gibson ones in recent years - not sure if the Mallard one became one of these. All depicted the locos in later years, if anyone wants to see one in Victorian era, they'd probably need to revert to scratchbuilding. See how many differences there were by taking a look at the RCTS GWR locos partwork. Also the Mitchell via David Geen (makes most variants, the only kit version that does) and the McGowen white metal (which I suspect is the basis for the new SE Finecast as the spec is exactly the same). The Gibson one is the ex M&L kit. Blacksmith Mallard was yet another but has not reappeared since moving to new owners. Mike Wiltshire Edited February 4, 2017 by Coach bogie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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