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#26 queensquare

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 23:10

Hi Andy,

the N and the T9 both featured on Bodmine and are are both still excellent performers. There is a second T9 which is currently going through the paint shop. The West Country has a Farish body as the basis - the basic shape is very good. It has been given a new set of smoke deflectors, cab, tender and chassis.

 

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 23:47

Hello everyone,

 

I have a few more photos to share of 'Wadebridge' during its first public exhibition... First, three overviews of the station area:

 

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The photo above is looking east in the Bodmin direction. The recently added lower baseboard extensions along the front of the layout will accommodate the River Camel, and thus nicely frame the station between Guineaport terraced cottages at the back and the estuary. 

 

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This is the central portion of the layout looking towards the town centre (when it gets built). The goods shed and station buildings survive to this day, adapted for use as day-centres for the town's youth and the elderly respectively. The engine sheds are adjacent to the river on the right, now sadly long gone. This whole area was originally salt marsh before the LSWR built the new station. The old Bodmin & Wadebridge Railway terminus was in the distance near the Molesworth Street crossing,.

 

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Overlooking the western goods sidings with the Molesworth Street level crossing, signal box and footbridge beyond. Town Quay sidings and the mainline are on the upper right. The arched bridge mock-up over the River Camel is the southern segment of the Medieval bridge which replaced a dangerous ford over the tidal river and gave the original settlement of 'Wade' its apposite suffix! In the foreground is where the original B&W terminus was located adjacent to the sand dock. The white card temporary mock-up buildings on the left of the mainline represent the former B&W workshops which survived until closure in the 1960s. This area is now occupied by a Co-op supermarket and car park. By the way, the little sector-table-with-turntable fiddleyard arrangement in the background serves as as temporary 'Padstow' for now.    

 

And here is a 1907 OS 25" map of the whole station area to help those not overly familiar with the prototype to orientate themselves:

 

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This map is upside-down to suit the photos. The 1907 track layout is similar to but not quite the same as that which existed during John's 1935-45 target period. You can probably spot the differences, albeit minor. Tracks are pink, platforms blue, and railway buildings orange. Bodmin is to the left, Padstow to the right. The Town Quay sidings branch off just beyond the right-hand side level crossing over Molesworth Street (see previous map in post #14).  

 

And finally, Jerry asked me for 'smiling operators and detail shots'... so here they are:

 

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'Mrs Queensquare' happily shunting on Town Quay.

 

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And two suspicious-looking characters in hot debate (possibly over the relative merits of 2mm versus S scale) and NOT gettin' on wiv da shuntin'! 

 

These photos were all taken last weekend. Enjoy!


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 08:35


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And two suspicious-looking characters in hot debate (possibly over the relative merits of 2mm versus S scale) and NOT gettin' on wiv da shuntin'! 

 

These photos were all taken last weekend. Enjoy!

 

Many thanks for the pictures and potted history Phil. Looks to me like Maurice and I are waiting for that Padstow train to clear the section before tripping some wagons over to the goods yard. As for the relative merits of 2mm versus S........no contest really :sungum:

 

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 20:37

Now here's a fun activity... sign up for 'Britain from Above' and then you can pan and zoom on 1930s photos of Wadebridge...

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There seem to be several businesses with their names apparently painted in white on the roofs by 1932. Was this real or was it some 1930s 'Photoshopping' by Aerofilms?

Is that a couple of Micas (or their SR equivalent) being shunted in the low angle 1930 picture?

Regards, Andy

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 20:55

Now here's a fun activity... sign up for 'Britain from Above' and then you can pan and zoom on 1930s photos of Wadebridge...

http://www.britainfr...image/epw039812
http://www.britainfr...image/epw033048
http://www.britainfr...image/epw033049

There seem to be several businesses with their names apparently painted in white on the roofs by 1932. Was this real or was it some 1930s 'Photoshopping' by Aerofilms?

Is that a couple of Micas (or their SR equivalent) being shunted in the low angle 1930 picture?

Regards, Andy

I've seen quite a few buildings around the country that still have their names painted on the roofs; surprised they didn't have to paint them over during WW2, just in case the Luftwaffe used an old Trade Guide to navigate with..

They'd have been done during the early days of aviation, just in case the crew of a passing aircraft fancied a pint/ some pork pies/whatever else was on offer.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 21:41

The west country looks nice. Not a lot a work needed on my Farish one then just replace everything but the main body!

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#32 Phil Copleston

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 22:44

Hello again!

 

I had a lot of fun operating John Greenwood's 'Wadebridge' layout last weekend, thanks to his kind invitation to help out.

 

John uses Lenz DCC to control the trains, which is so easy use and I felt right at home straight away. While the signals (when they get installed!) and points work separately from traditional leaver frames - most satisfying! Coupling are all DG automatics with delayed uncoupling prompted via under-baseboard electro-magnets. John, of course, is the "G" in DG! 

 

Here are the last of my photos from a wonderful weekend in good company and playing with John's superb and still-evolving 'Wadebridge' layout. The first four photos are more general views, this time showing the builder in his natural setting behind the layout entertaining the public!

 

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Jerry (queensquare) posted a photo of 'Wadebridge East Box' earlier. But the following is my view showing the other (Bodmin) end of this box.

 

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The two photos below show the Town Quay area again; one showing the sidings from the operator's side, the other from the front showing the buildings clustered around Molesworth Street and the Medieval bridge over the River Camel.

 

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The next photo was taken while packing up the layout and shows the underside of the baseboard which carries the loco shed and turntable - the mechanism for which you can see here. Who says DCC only needs two wires!! 

 

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Next is a photo of John's 'masterplan' for his 2mm scale version of the complete Bodmin & Wadebridge and parts of the North Cornwall Railway, circa 1935-45. John is currently building this 'empire' in the loft of his home in Wadebridge. The track laying is nearly complete but there's lots more scenery still to do. Certain portions of this will be removable for exhibiting, such as 'Wadebridge' here, and 'Wenford Bridge Goods Sidings' - the latter you may already have seen on the show circuit during the last 20 years, and noted for its amazing operating gantry crane and working road vehicles!   

 

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The next two (slightly blurry) photos show some of the Southern Railway publicity material attached to the fascia of John's 'Wadebridge' layout. These reinforce the 'sense of place' already becoming apparent from John's work.  

 

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And finally...

 

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A little box of John's locos! This photo of these 2mm jewels - including all three Beattie Well Tanks - was taken as we packed up on Sunday.  

 

If you'd also like to experience this 2-mil portrayal of Wadebridge station for real - here's your chance: It will be more scenically complete and next on show at the Helston, Cornwall exhibition 26-27 April 2014 http://www.fmrc.co.uk/diary.html and then the following month at Railex, Aylesbury 24-25 May 2014 http://www.railex.org.uk/  Be there and see it!


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#33 Maurice Hopper

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 06:45

Talking about roof names.  There were a number of places where the Southern Railway painted the station name on platform awnings to help early aviators find there way around, and check that they were following the right railway line.  One such example came up on one of the first Britain from Above pictures to be posted on their website in mid 2012.  

 

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 07:09

On the inspiration front, how much I agree with Don, Jerry and others.  

 

It is just over 9 years ago that I got back into serious railway modelling.  I had thought of 4mm RTR as there was so much stuff coming out that was good and suitable for the North Devon Line, especially the Bachmann Mogul.  

 

Then I spent a day operating Trevor Nunn's goods yard at East Lynn and to put it simply, the world changed.  Well, not quite, but my little part of it and my view of railway modelling did.  As Dave says, "Size (or should that be scale) isn't everything."  

 

It happened to be Trevor, it could have been John, Jerry or Dave, but it triggered a need to move to something more demanding and more rewarding both for me as a modeller and hopefully for those with whom we are lucky enough to be able to share our endeavours.  It is not the scale that matters but the quality that counts.

 

It is too late now to take on another scale, but I still have plans to put some rather more fine scale track down for my German N gauge collection which will greatly improve the look of Holtzapfel.  Time forces a compromise!


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:06

I have now updated my website with exhibition dates for Tucking Mill, Highbury and Wenfordbridge/Wadebridge for 2014. I will be adding photos of Tucking Mill over the next few days and hope to find time for a number of other updates over Christmas.

 

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#36 Joseph_Pestell

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 12:24

I've seen quite a few buildings around the country that still have their names painted on the roofs; surprised they didn't have to paint them over during WW2, just in case the Luftwaffe used an old Trade Guide to navigate with..

They'd have been done during the early days of aviation, just in case the crew of a passing aircraft fancied a pint/ some pork pies/whatever else was on offer.

 

Not just for aviators. Two long-established inns in our town (The Fountain and The Two Brewers) had names painted on the roof long before that as they can be seen from the hilltop town centre.

 

What a magnificent layout! Like others I had not realised that Wenford Bridge was just part of a much bigger project. Surprising that Wadebridge has not been modelled more often as a compact station that allows short mainline trains to be run. It really has just about everything.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 21:27

John is an extremely skilful modeller and having known him for many years a great chap,this layout is fantastic project and I hope it will carry on growing.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 22:23

Thank you so much for starting this thread. What a wonderful model railway, I'm really impressed by the scope, detail and integrity of the modeling here.

It's also nice to see how happy and smiley everyone is.

A great inspiration on all levels.
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Posted 08 December 2013 - 19:37

Thank you so much for starting this thread. What a wonderful model railway, I'm really impressed by the scope, detail and integrity of the modeling here.

 

Agreed, thanks Jerry & Phil for posting these photos, some superb modelling on show here! 

 

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 20:33

Wonderful stuff - I had no idea that Wenford Bridge, which I have marvelled over several times at shows, was just one bit of a huge empire!


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 11:05

Wonderful stuff - I had no idea that Wenford Bridge, which I have marvelled over several times at shows, was just one bit of a huge empire!

 

Yes indeed, '10800'. John Greenwood is one of those few British modellers who have embraced the concept of modelling a 'whole railway' (or as our American cousins put it, "a complete railroad you can model"). Another is Jas Millham with his erstwhile S scale exhibition layout the 'Yaxbury Branch', now permanently ensconced at home in his attic - with 'Rookfield' as a removable exhibition portion. 

 

In the past, modelling complete portions of railways (as opposed to stations only) was popular within the British railway modelling scene, now dominated by the smaller portable exhibition layout. A browse through the modelling magazines of the 1950s and '60s will reveal further examples. As an operator, you drive your train through a landscape from station to station on a proper and realistic journey, not popping in an out of a limited scene. Having operated both John's and Jas' layouts, and other 'basement empires' over in the States, I can attest to complete satisfaction with this this type of operation! 

 

What John is demonstrating here with 'Wadebridge' and 'Wenford Bridge' as contributory portions towards his overall plan, is that it is possible to combine both layout concepts by building in stages towards the larger - and I think more satisfying - home-based model railway 'empire'. Given enough space and commitment, this is perhaps a modelling approach worth revisiting.    


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 13:50

I couldn't agree more Phil.  It's horses for courses as always of course (one of the great things about this hobby) but I like the idea of showing the railway actually moving stuff from place to place.  This is something that Re6/6, myself and others are trying to do in P4 for Balcombe/Ouse Valley Viaduct/Lewes/Eridge. 


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 05:08

It was interesting how many 2mm scale layouts we had at the show, I was sitting in the corner of the opposite side of the hall with a small table next to two other N gauge layouts.
Here's some of my pics taken at the Bodmin show earlier this year. The buildings were really interesting, in particular the signal boxes were nicely done :) Thanks for letting me round back to have a look!

 

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 12:48

It was interesting how many 2mm scale layouts we had at the show, I was sitting in the corner of the opposite side of the hall with a small table next to two other N gauge layouts.
Here's some of my pics taken at the Bodmin show earlier this year. The buildings were really interesting, in particular the signal boxes were nicely done :) Thanks for letting me round back to have a look!

 

Cheers, Reece

 

Thanks for posting the pictures Reece. We had a really good weekend at Bodmin, make sure you come and see us at Helston in April.

 

I have only just found this thread and wow!  I can only echo Maurice's comment about scale, and quality. 

 

Wadebridge is a favorite prototype (You can tell by my avatar!).  I grew up only 15 miles from the town, but never found out about it until after it had closed. So through a model such as this I can revisit the location.  

 

Bizarrely, a copy of the BR(S) signal diagram for Wadebride East box came into my possession many years ago.  For a small country location, the signalling arrangement is interesting and the interlocking in particular was rather complex.  

 

Only just found us .........where have you been Paul, its been in my post signature for ages  :blind:  ;)  !!

We are taking it out a couple of times next year - see the list on my website.

 

Would be interesting to see the signal box diagram sometime - we should have working signals by the time the layout goes to Aylesbury.

 

Merry Christmas all, Jerry


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 14:01

It was interesting how many 2mm scale layouts we had at the show, I was sitting in the corner of the opposite side of the hall with a small table next to two other N gauge layouts.
Here's some of my pics taken at the Bodmin show earlier this year. The buildings were really interesting, in particular the signal boxes were nicely done :) Thanks for letting me round back to have a look!

 

Cheers, Reece

 

Reece: Thanks for the excellent additional detail photos! Judging from the images, you must have taken these on the Sunday before opening - hence the lack of stock, track-cleaning in progress, and our hung-over looks. Oh dear...  :blind:

 

On a small point of clarification, lest any readers think otherwise, 'Wadebridge' was the only 2mm finescale layout (1:152) at the Bodmin show. The others were N-gauge (1:148 or 1:160), of course.  

 

Anyway, as Jerry says, please do come and say hello to us at the Helston show in April, where 'Wadebridge' will be on display in Cornwall again: http://www.ukmodelsh...yShowinCornwall ('Wadebridge' not yet showing on invited layout list)


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 11:11

Too absorbed in the twin worlds of 7mm and BR in the 70s!!

 

 I trust that the ground signals will be working.......   :jester:

 

Ok Paul, as your 70's thread is so good with all those pictures around Bath I'll let you off  :sungum:

 

As for the ground signals, one of the joys of 2FS is that, like the emperors new clothes, you can tell people they work and they'll believe you because they can't see them  :jester:

 

have a great Christmas, Jerry


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 13:55

So 2mm finescale is 'smoke and mirrors' [/i]


Absolutely, when I build stuff in the larger scales its terrifying as not only do I need to know what all the widely bits are but I can't leave them off!!

Jerry
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Posted 23 December 2013 - 19:24

Absolutely, when I build stuff in the larger scales its terrifying as not only do I need to know what all the widely bits are but I can't leave them off!!

Jerry

And you also get through a scary amount of material.  I scratchbuilt a 7mm scrap wagon and used several entire sheets of plasticard.



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Posted 23 December 2013 - 20:17

You think it will be easier in a larger scale but you do need more detail. I thought it might be easier in 2mm then your find Missy posting on how she made a padlock for a goods shed.

I doubt I could pick up bits that small. However Jerry is right if something is too small to be seen clearly ( say by the viewer at an exhibition) the eye and brain often fill in detail that is missing. It is overscale details that shout model.

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 11:06

Jerry,

 

Did you see the PM I sent before Christmas re Wadebridge East box?  Or is it a case of too many drams......  :jester:

 

Many apologies Paul, I have now replied. An administrative c**k up on my part........possibly related to too many drams!!

 

Jerry


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