N15class Posted May 24, 2018 Author Share Posted May 24, 2018 Hi Peter, As the only Southern modeller I know, can you help me with a livery question? I have just finished building a 7mm model of a B4 with the original cutaway cab. It was part built when I got it with the early cab already fitted. So, If my internet research is valid, none of these original cab versions ever reached BR ownership. The internet also stated that the filled in cabs were fitted during the war to hide the glow from fire boxes! I take that with a pinch of salt as there are photographs taken in the '30's showing filled in cabs. My question is, can I paint my version, cutaway cab, in plain black with yellow SOUTHERN and the number below on the tank side and which number would be appropriate? Or, what would be the latest livery, in Southern days, that I could get away with, with the early cab? Regards Sandy I will have a look and see if I can find out for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted May 29, 2018 Author Share Posted May 29, 2018 Now where do I start. I suppose that the frames is a good place. These just the sand pipes fitting. There should be a sand box at the rear but as behind step. I will put a pipe in as I only had two spare boxes. Then a coat of paint can be applied. Next up the footplate. This has lovely reverse curves both ends. Now here lays the problem. The hanging plate and the front frame extensions and the bunker are all slightly different. In the end I decided to form the footplate to the bunker and the frame extensions. as these were closer to each other. Then sort out or remake the hanging plate. Here you can see the problem with the hanging plate, I will remake this to match the footplate, these are too far out to fix. They are even different lengths. Now was the time to see what else I could expect. Some not so good. This is probably the worst I´ve had from William. The tank sides are different lengths and heights, as are the tops. The pre rolled boiler I think was rolled on the floor. It ain´t that round. These are all sorted now. I will post next time. I have decided the thing I hate most about kits, and this is not just William's. To me it's even worse than the etched parallel lines where curves are. It is this need to half etch a panel where the curve is, just leaving the end so the full thickness shows. You make the curve and the only bit that curves properly are the ends. the rest just stretches into a bent flat and is impossible to curve. It's not as thought 012" brass is hard to bend. I do believe I read years ago that someone filled them with solder then curved, I will try this on the tank sides. But what a faff. And a lot of solder on something like a pannier tank. Rant over time to play with Pedro before the living room is dismantled. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) ...This is probably the worst I´ve had from William. ... I bet he regards that as high praise! Maybe he sees himself as the true successor of MTK/Elcrappo Kits? .....The tank sides are different lengths and heights, as are the tops. ..... To really top it off, what's the betting that neither tank side is correct compared to measurements given on a drawing? Edited May 30, 2018 by Horsetan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share Posted May 30, 2018 The tanks are actually right. Now for the Biggie the smoke box saddle is too short, and the footplate between the down curves too long. The boiler is adjustable as it goes into the cab as per prototype. Let's see what the rest will be like later. As it's Thomas I'll get it all as close as I can without too much work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 The tanks are actually right. .... Were they different lengths and heights on each side on the real thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 Were they different lengths and heights on each side on the real thing? Not knowingly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 I've come to the conclusion you love difficult builds? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted June 1, 2018 Author Share Posted June 1, 2018 (edited) I like challenges yes Ken. But models are not always out of choice. I've been checking the parts against the drawing supplied. William must really try hard to make things difficult. Boiler the right length and diameter. Side tanks right height and length, tabbed to sit in the wrong place. Cab front and rear both 99% the same shape. Front tab slots too far back. Most of the parts are right. It's just not tabbed and slotted very well. So you constantly need to check 10 or more steps ahead or there will be tears. It's stupid things that are wrong. Like no infill for the bottom of the tank extension. Cab front has cut out for boiler.but is 2mm too high. All the hard work was done getting the bits to end up the right size then screw it up with the details. Edited June 2, 2018 by N15class Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Only one word, wow! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 I filled the half etches with solder in the tank sides to see if it did improve the bending. Easy to fill a pain to clean up. The sides were then bent and the tops soldered in place. I made a couple of tank bottoms to fill the underside of the extension. Why not in kit I will never know. Just the beading and top fittings to go. And also something to stop you looking inside the tank from the top, also not included. On the top there are 3 holes front air vent not in kit, water filler in kit, and something that I do not know which is also not in kit. I managed to get the boiler to resemble a cylinder, the cut away portion still need a little tweeking, but I will do that with tanks in place. Did a little more to the bunker, I really need to sort out the lamp irons. As the the 5 in the kit bare no resemblance to the ones LBSCR used. Why 5 I am unsure or as there should be 2 double and 2 single ones front and rear. Anyway the parts on the bunker all fitted well apart from me not getting the bunker square to start with. I have also noticed from photos the bunker should have curved corners, Whether I live with this as it is Thomas not an E2 I will think about. I am building it in a way that it should be easy to swap back to an E2 if ever Pedro gets into models or model making. Smoke box saddle was completed, but is now off again as it was one sided when tried with tanks and boiler. With tanks and boiler in place before saddle was removed. It is as BR once said getting there, but without ever quantifying at what pace. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 I forgot to say that filling the half etches with solder made all the difference. I think it is something to use in the future. Uses a lot of solder unfortunately, but the improvement is probably well worth it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DLT Posted June 3, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2018 Looks like your are making a splendid job of it Peter. A poorly designed kit can be a challenge to the modelmaker, and can lead one naturally into scratchbuilding (almost by default) But by the same token it could put someone off kitbuilding completely. Cheers, Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 Thanks Dave Fortunately I do enjoy scratch building. The annoying thing about this kit is William must of worked so hard to make it difficult. Most bits are the right size once tidied up. But it's a pig to put together. It's all stupid things. Tank beading is etch to be put on the side rather than the top. Ok that's the way it's designed, but it's the wrong size. So which ever way you want to do it it needs to be cut out and scratch built. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Another lovely job Peter. I always find it satisfying making a nice model out of a pigs ear, as I'm sure you do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 Another lovely job Peter. I always find it satisfying making a nice model out of a pigs ear, as I'm sure you do. Cheers Ken Yes I do find it very satisfying, even if it is a pain in the **** sometimes. Makes you appreciate the well thought out nice fitting kits even more. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Cheers Ken Yes I do find it very satisfying, even if it is a pain in the **** sometimes. Makes you appreciate the well thought out nice fitting kits even more. I was thinking about buying one of the larger SR tank locos, glad I listened to a few words of wisdom from a friend and kept my wallet in my pocket 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 ......The annoying thing about this kit is William must have worked so hard to make it difficult. ..... That surely is the key to understanding the philosophy behind an Ace product? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted June 4, 2018 Author Share Posted June 4, 2018 I was thinking about buying one of the larger SR tank locos, glad I listened to a few words of wisdom from a friend and kept my wallet in my pocket I would like to do the G16, H16 or the W.The W should be ok it's ex Sanspareil kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted June 4, 2018 Author Share Posted June 4, 2018 I couldn't live with it so the bunker now has rounded corners and at the same time gained its beading. In my opinion looks much better, Still needs coal rails and lamp irons. The tanks have had their beading added and one is tacked onto the footplate foe checking boiler and smoke box saddle. Half the saddle is now refitted. Does anyone know what goes in the round hole near the rear of the tank. the slot near to it is where the front plate of the does not go. the middle is water filler and the front is the vent. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buhar Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Does anyone know what goes in the round hole near the rear of the tank. the slot near to it is where the front plate of the does not go. the middle is water filler and the front is the vent. Sandbox filler? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted June 4, 2018 Author Share Posted June 4, 2018 (edited) Sandbox filler? Good thought. But the boxes are behind cab steps so I reckon either they're on it or in cab. In front of cab is a bit far away. Edited June 4, 2018 by N15class Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Maybe there was nothing there at all except for a blanking plate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share Posted June 5, 2018 Maybe there was nothing there at all except for a blanking plate. I think it's going to have to be. There seems to be a pipe going to or from the cab roof on the short tanks but I've not found anything on the extended tanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbridge Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Sandbox filler?knowing the reliability of the Ace kits artwork, the holes could just as well be a total work of fiction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 knowing the reliability of the Ace kits artwork, the holes could just as well be a total work of fiction. "....since vows of fidelity were introduced into the French marriage service." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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