HSB in the Süd Harz HOm

[PaulRhB]

Hello Paul,

 

for gypsum or other bulk freight transport on sherman narrow gauge railoads, I recommend former BTTB-models of OOt-wagons, like these:

 

https://www.der-lustige-modellbauer.com/t23793-schuttgutwagen-oot-in-h0e

 

Similar cars were used until recently in Germany`s lignite mines. However, they require a tipping station (Tiefbunker) and another loading station, if the material shall be transported to further facilities.

 

Best regards

 

Jörn

Thanks Jörn, I had looked at those and plain gondolas but thought I'd go for something that could use the container crane to shift it in bins onto lorries or standard gauge.

The hoppers would be for a finer product to a facility on the main HSB to create another train will see how it looks when they arrive

[Satan's Goldfish]

Now with the quarry I could hack up some of the shapeways rollwagen and get them to work but on checking the geography the area near Walkenried is actually mined for gypsum products so rather than stone the quarry is going to deal with that. I will still do the rollwagen eventually as they are used for ballast trains on the Harz from the quarry near Eisfelder Tahlmuhle.

So what wagons to use? Currently I'm considering two TT wagons, one is a long hopper with a tilt top so I don't have to load and unload it and seems to be the same size as the HOm coaches so should work ok. The second option is a flat wagon with two 20ft containers that I could hack into stone bins like the RhB ones or even replace with an A frame skip body off a HO lorry. I've ordered one of each to experiment

photos copyright Busch & Tillig

IMG_wagons.jpg

 

On the layout front the track at the join is soldered on so I just need to match the scenery colours then set up the four new boards.

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I'm aware of shapeways but never used them, do you have a link to the rollwagen? Ta.

 

(Looking good btw, like the idea of improvising with TT stock, you could have a mix of both wagon types depending on it's onward transport/use requirements. Bulk use in hoppers, transfer to road in the bins.)

[PaulRhB]

I'm aware of shapeways but never used them, do you have a link to the rollwagen? Ta.

 

(Looking good btw, like the idea of improvising with TT stock, you could have a mix of both wagon types depending on it's onward transport/use requirements. Bulk use in hoppers, transfer to road in the bins.)

This should give you the rollwagen page , the single ones are the HOm versions,note there are two brake types so look at the photos to see which type you want by whether they have the big air cylinders.

Note the bogies are fixed so people seem to make them into long 4 wheel wagons with dummy wheels in the outer slots. My two are temporarily static models until I get round to them

Edited January 27, 2018 by PaulRhB

[Satan's Goldfish]

Cheers Paul, will investigate!

[Silbergräber]

If anyone is interested in "Rollwagen" (waht's the English expression for this vehicles?) in a better quality, one should have a look at those models of "Glöckner" (scroll down):

 

http://www.modellbau-gloeckner.de/edition-schmalspurbahn/

 

They're available in both gauges H0e & H0m and in long and short verions. For Harz railways. the long Rf4-type in H0m ist correct.

 

Best regards

 

Jörn

[NGT6 1315]

If anyone is interested in "Rollwagen" (waht's the English expression for this vehicles?) 

 

Cheers Jörn,

 

ISTR that "transporter wagons" is an equivalent English term.

 

Speaking of which, and hoping this isn't too far off topic, how common were such wagons in Anglophone countries anyway?

[Hobby]

Just out of interest how accurate is the old Zueke one?

 

I tend to think their solution to the two bogies is the best, rather than having to rely on three axles per bogie rotating freely they just had one axle at each end and the other wheels were dummies making it a four wheel wagon. One of mine has even been converted to 9mm gauge.

[Hobby]

ISTR that "transporter wagons" is an equivalent English term.

 

Speaking of which, and hoping this isn't too far off topic, how common were such wagons in Anglophone countries anyway?

 

Yes, they have Rollwagon (the "transporter") and Rollbock(e), the bogie under each axle. They were common in Austria and Germany (and countries influenced by them such as Czechoslovakia) but quite rare outside those two countries.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollbock

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transporter_wagon

Edited January 27, 2018 by Hobby

[Hobby]

I believe the Barsi Light Railway in India used them (it was designed by Calthrop who was also responsible for the Leek and Manifold Railway)... British influenced though English not a native language!

 

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Barsi_Light_Railway.html

Edited January 27, 2018 by Hobby

[Satan's Goldfish]

I'm sure one of the British narrow gauge lines did use them, I just can't recall which off the top of my head.

 

Back to Swiss use, the Brunig seemed to have quite a few of them too which would often see LSE use:

 

http://engelbergbahn.ch/Fotogalerien/Rollschemel Transporte/fotos/index.htm

 

http://engelbergbahn.ch/Gueterwagen/Ua 9857/Ua_9857.html

 

 

 

Edit: And for some reason neither of those links liked to copy and paste!

 

Edit 2: They added a space to the page address, copy the lot into browser rather than just clicking the link.

Edited January 27, 2018 by Satan's Goldfish

[D9020 Nimbus]

The Leek and Manifold Light Railway also used transporter wagons.

[PaulRhB]

If anyone is interested in "Rollwagen" (waht's the English expression for this vehicles?) in a better quality, one should have a look at those models of "Glöckner" (scroll down):

 

http://www.modellbau-gloeckner.de/edition-schmalspurbahn/

 

They're available in both gauges H0e & H0m and in long and short verions. For Harz railways. the long Rf4-type in H0m ist correct.

 

Best regards

 

Jörn

Thanks for the link

Yes Transporter wagon is the English term but we use Rollwagen too as that's the actual name for these.

The Leek & Manifold were the only users of a similar style but there were others that carried narrow Gauge on standard wagons.

[PaulRhB]

Well the container wagon turned up and here it is with the short and long drop containers. I think adding some container fixings and a repaint on the containers plus heavy weathering and this will look ok.

 

HOm wagons by -salisburyASC-

 

HOm wagons by -salisburyASC-

[PaulRhB]

If anyone is interested in "Rollwagen" (waht's the English expression for this vehicles?) in a better quality, one should have a look at those models of "Glöckner" (scroll down):

 

http://www.modellbau-gloeckner.de/edition-schmalspurbahn/

 

Hi Jörn, had time to look through and I can't see any obvious prices on this site, do you just have to ask?

[PaulRhB]

All four new boards are now up and all the cork is down. Track laying will commence this week

 

[PaulRhB]

HOm Süd Harz by -salisburyASC-

[PaulRhB]

Nothing like a deadline to meet Anyway no need to wait my Flockit was repaired so the grass can be instant again

[PhilH]

Although I can't find anything official on the internet I'm hearing that the HSB is no longer included in the Hartz tourist card, which means that if so it will cost €79/3day or €129/5day for an HSB runaround ticket. This does of course include as many trips up the Brocken as you like which the tourist card didn't.

[PaulRhB]

Certainly the site still says it is included. Oh well maybe you've made it too popular

[PaulRhB]

Mugshot and the container crane for Walkenried.

(Got to serve the operators tea)

 

 

[Oldddudders]

The HSB continues to gain models. Faller will be offering an HO laser-cut kit of Schierke station, on the Brocken, later this year. It will be, they say, in 1986-2006 condition, and RRP will be about €100.

[5944]

Although I can't find anything official on the internet I'm hearing that the HSB is no longer included in the Hartz tourist card, which means that if so it will cost €79/3day or €129/5day for an HSB runaround ticket. This does of course include as many trips up the Brocken as you like which the tourist card didn't.

I thought the HSB tickets were only valid for one trip from Schierke to the Brocken, with unlimited travel on the rest of the system?

[Marshall5]

There are a variety of 'offers' from 5 day unlimited to a single Brocken+50% off another see:https://www.hsb-wr.de/en/mehr-erfahren/fares/fares/table-of-selected-offers/

I believe these are still the 2017 fares as the 2018 fares don't seem to have been announced yet (or,at least, haven't been put on the website).  I'm not sure that the HSB's withdrawal from the Harz Tour Card has been decided - it certainly hasn't been made public yet. There has been some discussion on Nat.Pres.http://railways.national-preservation.com/threads/harz-narrow-gauge-hsb.874616/page-2   The number of people using the Tour Card is insignificant in terms of the total number of passengers as the great majority of passengers just buy a return to Brocken for which the Tour Card isn't valid. I certainly hope that HSB stay with it as I'm going there in June and value the flexibility it offers to also use DB/HEX and buses out of the Hatix area.

Ray.

[PaulRhB]

The HSB continues to gain models. Faller will be offering an HO laser-cut kit of Schierke station, on the Brocken, later this year. It will be, they say, in 1986-2006 condition, and RRP will be about €100.

As Ian mentioned the HSB is being well catered for this year.

Here's Schierke

 

 

And now ILFELD from Busch

 

[PaulRhB]

And track is down on 'Sorge' the hidden station for the rest of the HSB.