RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2013 I know that a lot of you are very busy over Christmas but like to have a few photos to look at, others, like me, have a quieter time and more chance to look at things. I thought that this Christmas I would post a random selection of (mainly) colour photos taken by Dad from about 1947 and I from about 1965 onwards. They are (almost) all from the sets on my flickr site - probably the best way to see more photos in the sets is to go to: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/sets Note, there are actually 2 pages of sets if you go to flickr. I have tried to find images which show more than just a locomotive. Unless you know the places well you may find a Railway Atlas useful, some locations you may need an OS map or Google Earth to work out exactly where Dad or I stood to take the photo. Very few of them have been posted on RMWeb before. I hope you will enjoy them. Kirkby Stephen GBRf 66721 down gypsum 15th Aug 09 SIMG_2560 Ashington NCB ex BR Class 14 April 81 C5348 Belvoir Junction Class 20 D8122 & D8187 with brake van Sept 68J1404 Bristol Temple Meads 31407 and 31412 ex pass to Liverpool 1st July 89 C12108a Cadeby Bagnall 0-4-0ST Pixie Aug 68 J1401 Chappel_and_Wakes_Colne_Gloucester_dmu_Class_100_pass__to_Sudbury_leaving_Sept74_C1800 Edinburgh Waverley 101329 12th April 86 C7415 Haughley Junction 47115 Liverpool St to Norwich Jan 79 C4289 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 24, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2013 A couple more. Keighley 41241 climbing away July 68 J1365 Kings Cross Class 55 and 31127 Sept 74 J4034 David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 25, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2013 Merry Christmas everyone. A few more for this morning. Just ordinary trains going about their everyday business. Lancaster Class 108 to Preston 17th May 72 C961 Liverpool Street 47009 Liverpool St to Norwich Dec 79 C4907 Longsight 304001 Crewe to Manchester Oxford Road May 71 C581 Ravensthorpe Class 40 D352 up freight April 68 J1280 Reading 50018 up ex pass Feb 78 C3666 More later. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted December 25, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2013 Great pics as usual - and thanks for posting on a day when many have other commitments! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Thanks excellent pics like the green forty,happy Christmas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted December 25, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2013 The DMU at Lancaster is fantastic, showing the old signals with the new signals behind, not long before Carlisle took control of the area. (First half of 1973) - the colour lights are still in use in the same form, 40 years later. The signals are Lancaster No.3 down slow / fast home with Lancaster No.2 distants below - I think these (the distants) were electrically released by Lancaster No.1 Thanks for sharing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 25, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2013 So many questions about the loads behind the EE type 4. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 So many questions about the loads behind the EE type 4. Mike. Glad it's not just me. Super pictures! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 So many questions about the loads behind the EE type 4. Mike. Those wagons are a bit odd; they look as though someone's taken a Boplate E , draped a very large wagon sheet over it to dry off, and forgotten they've done so. They don't seem to be tied down or anything, and the unevenness of the way they hang along the side is very odd. And what are those yellow container-shaped boxes further back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Any chance it's the prototype for the Airfix lomac with NCL lorry trailer? <G> http://www.airfixrailways.co.uk/WagonsS.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Any chance it's the prototype for the Airfix lomac with NCL lorry trailer? <G> http://www.airfixrailways.co.uk/WagonsS.htm Could be... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 And there must be something heavy in that container as i'm sure a conflat and empty container are prohibited at the head of a train? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 And there must be something heavy in that container as i'm sure a conflat and empty container are prohibited at the head of a train? I thought it was unladen Conflats, rather than a Conflat with an empty container, that were subject to restrictions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 My 1967 section E just says empty conflats prohibited from loaded fitted heads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Any chance it's the prototype for the Airfix lomac with NCL lorry trailer? <G> http://www.airfixrailways.co.uk/WagonsS.htm My feeling is Lowmac wagons converted to carry 20' ISO containers in vac. fitted trains. I'm sure Paul Bartlett has pictures on his site. The Airfix job is pure fiction. Merf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 25, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2013 Many thanks for all the comments. With regard to the Class 40 hauled freight at Ravensthorpe, I've had a look in Dad's slide catalogue and there is no more information than is in the caption, so I can't help with what the wagons are. I wasn't there that day so I don't have a photo of my own. Now for this evening's photos. I'll start with three questions for you. Despite the title of the thread including the word colour these are black and white. A few weeks ago I found a few more of Dad's black and white photos, and will include them in this thread, one or two at a time. The first one was taken by Dad, circa 1950. According to notes on the back of the print it's a K2 on a Boston to Grantham passenger. I have a suspicion it may be near Barkston, or between there and Grantham as it was taken from the railway side of the fence and he had a track permit for the Grantham area. Can anyone identify the exact location? probably near Barkston on Sleaford line K2 pass Boston to Grantham The next two were with Dad's photos but were not taken by him, they are not his "style", nor are the prints on the make of paper he used. I think they were probably taken in the late 40s, I've no idea who by - does anyone here have an idea? It would be nice to credit them properly. There is no information on the prints, so I showed them to Ernie Brack (irishswissernie) who has made some suggestions. Can anyone confirm the locations (or suggest an alternative) and add more information? Possibly Laira 45xx 4569 Brimscombe 73xx Now for some more in colour: Seascale Class 108 Carlisle to Barrow Aug 75 J4628 Selby Class 254 down ex pass Feb 83 C5958 Sheffield Park GWR Earl class 9017 April 64 J108 Sittingbourne Bagnall Superb crossing viaduct over Milton Creek May 75 C2121 David Edited as I got the wrong "there" first time - too much wine with lunch perhaps! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 My feeling is Lowmac wagons converted to carry 20' ISO containers in vac. fitted trains. I'm sure Paul Bartlett has pictures on his site. The Airfix job is pure fiction. Merf. They look far too smooth for ISO boxes for me; might they still be new van trailers for NCL (yes, I know the Airfix one was a work of fiction..) .BR used to send new vehicles by rail; could this have been during the last days of this policy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Now for this evening's photos. Can anyone identify the exact location? Dec012 probably near Barkston on Sleaford line K2 pass Boston to Grantham.jpg probably near Barkston on Sleaford line K2 pass Boston to Grantham The pole route looks a bit busy for anything other than the GN main line. Jericho Big Wood looking towards Peascliff tunnel? Edit to add.. Something drops off the pole route here. If it was a distant it's around 1400 yards south from Barkston South Junction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 My world normally stops just after Stoke Summit/Highdyke but i do wonder if i should extend to Barkston South Junction as i do have most of the bits in between. Barkston South Junction was the limit of the King's Cross Control telephone circuit. Anyway i have this.. It seems Grantham North To Barkston South Junction was track circuit block. This would explain the size of the pole rote/power wires etc. Edit to add.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 They look far too smooth for ISO boxes for me; might they still be new van trailers for NCL (yes, I know the Airfix one was a work of fiction..) .BR used to send new vehicles by rail; could this have been during the last days of this policy? I'm still for ISO boxes, as they came in smooth or corrugated back then. Colour looks more orange than NCL/BR yellow too. And road trailers may well have been too high for rail transport then. By the way BR road vehicles being delivered seem very camera shy, there must be some out there . Merf. Sorry about changing the subject David, enjoying both your dad's and yours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 25, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2013 The pole route looks a bit busy for anything other than the GN main line. Jericho Big Wood looking towards Peascliff tunnel? Edit to add.. Something drops off the pole route here. If it was a distant it's around 1400 yards south from Barkston South Junction. My world normally stops just after Stoke Summit/Highdyke but i do wonder if i should extend to Barkston South Junction as i do have most of the bits in between. Barkston South Junction was the limit of the King's Cross Control telephone circuit. Anyway i have this.. Grantham North TCB extension.JPG It seems Grantham North To Barkston South Junction was track circuit block. This would explain the size of the pole rote/power wires etc. Edit to add.. october2008 111 (2)a.jpg Many thanks for the diagrams. I've also had a look on the 1"OS map of the area which has reminded me that all the bridges between Barkston South Junction and the North end of Peascliffe Tunnel were overbridges. There is an underbridge (for what looks like a stream )south of Peascliffe Tunnel, very close to Signal U107 on your plans. Looking at the background of the image (on a higher resolution copy) the ground rises and the trees, though out of focus, are in the right pattern for the south side of the hill at Peasecliffe Tunnel. So I think the location is approx 2miles and 2 furlogs south of Barkston South Junction, or a fraction under 2 miles north of Grantham station. It is now right on the edge of a new housing estate to the north of Grantham. So I suppose the best description is "South of Peascliffe Tunnel". It's actually just south of the road from Great Gonerby which crosses the line a very short distance south of the tunnel. Edit, The rear coach of each of these trains is approximately where Dad stood, on the telegraph pole side of the track to take the unknown location image. The unknown image was taken looking towards where the photographer was standing when he took the images below. Peascliffe Tunnel Class 55 9008 The Green Howards down ex pass Dec 70 J2471 Peascliffe Tunnel Class 47 1516 down ex pass Dec 70 J2466 Sorry about the image quality, it was a misty dull day. Many thanks. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 I'm fairly sure i located an underbridge to the south of Barkston South Junction.. 52°57'18.76" N 0°38'31.87" W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 25, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2013 I'm fairly sure i located an underbridge to the south of Barkston South Junction.. Thanks for your help. The only one I can think of is the one at the south end of Barkston station (the platform was on the bridge), right by the junction, which is quite a big road bridge. I cannot see another one on my map as the line was in a cutting from there to the north end of the tunnel. Edit. I found that on Google maps too, but according to the OS map it is where there was once an overbridge (at least at the 1960/1 revision of the map by OS it was an overbridge). I used to know the area well as I have walked along all the lanes between Barkston station and the tunnel many times up to the mid 60sand I only ever saw overbridges (at least that what my memory says). There are a lot of photos betwen Barkston and the tunnel on my flickr site at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/sets/?&page=2 3rd row from bottom, second set from left ECML Grantham to Newark. but there is no conclusive proof. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 The only one I can think of is the one at the south end of Barkston station (the platform was on the bridge), right by the junction, which is quite a big road bridge. I cannot see another one on my map as the line was in a cutting from there to the north end of the tunnel. David I fear what i'm seeing may be the remains of an overbridge in the above photo. The 25k map confirms this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 25, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2013 I fear what i'm seeing may be the remains of an overbridge in the above photo. The 25k map confirms this. That's the map I always wish I had when I'm sorting out photos David! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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