Andy Y Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I'd like to put forward something a little different this year for a challenge which can inclusive to different approaches and levels of ability. The general challenge To produce a model which makes use of different or variable scales to give an increased perception of depth to the model or scene. The model can be a working layout through to a static diorama but must include different or variable scale. There are no size limits within this general category. The picture challenge To produce a scene or working diorama within the context of a framed picture (with or without off-scene fiddles etc) to a maximum of 4' width, 2' height and 1' depth with a presentation frame around the defined scene with boxed edges, top and base. Before anyone else chucks it in here's a simple explanation of perspective.... Entries To enter a topic should be created within this area of RMweb recording the design and modelling of the project. Completed entries will be invited to post a summary topic after the closing date of 31st July 2014. The scene should be new with the significant work taking place in the duration of the challenge. Multiple entries are permissible. Judging The winner(s) will be determined by a membership vote after the closing date. Winner(s) and selected entries may be invited to show at the RMweb Live event at Coventry on 13/14 September. Perspective modelling is not new and Jack Nelson showed how effective it could be many many years ago, we still see it in the craftsmanship of Paul Bambrick's dioramas and backscenes and even Stubby47 has used it in previous challenge entries but I thought it worth tackling with modern techniques and materials and forcing people to model (and think) how it can used to good effect. One of the most popular exhibits at last year's Warley Show was the working scene by Modelspoorgroep Valkenswaard of B.A.Bodil's garage with gauges from G to Z in one scene with the railbus snaking from the foreground to the backscene. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted January 1, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2014 Question 1: With a 4' x 1' base, can the diorama be viewed from the end ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 1, 2014 Author Share Posted January 1, 2014 Question 1: With a 4' x 1' base, can the diorama be viewed from the end ? Hmm; the first answer would be yes but it would present a possible problem in displaying an entry in the form I'd anticipated but that's not the be all and end all of it; your enjoyment is the prime consideration. Maybe you could do more than one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted January 1, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2014 The reason for the question is to get a sense of perspective, 1' deep is not very much, and across a 4' width it will be harder to maintain the perspective from multiple viewing points. From a 1' width, and 4' depth, both of these issues are lessened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 1, 2014 Author Share Posted January 1, 2014 That's true hence my easiness about the suggestion; I was just thinking about display practicalities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 1, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2014 Nice to see you lifted my perspective strap line Andy!!!! Hee hee Now just need to work out how to do the second part... Happy New Year! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike morley Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 How about dropping the set dimensions and simply going for four square feet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLD Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 The reason for the question is to get a sense of perspective, 1' deep is not very much, and across a 4' width it will be harder to maintain the perspective from multiple viewing points. From a 1' width, and 4' depth, both of these issues are lessened. How about dropping the set dimensions and simply going for four square feet? I think you are confusing the twi different categories... By my reading there is no requirement for forced perspective in the 4x1 area 'Picture Frame' and no size limit for the perspective chalenge. The general challenge To produce a model which makes use of different or variable scales to give an increased perception of depth to the model or scene. The model can be a working layout through to a static diorama but must include different or variable scale. There are no size limits within this general category. The picture challenge To produce a scene or working diorama within the context of a framed picture (with or without off-scene fiddles etc) to a maximum of 4' width, 2' height and 1' depth with a presentation frame around the defined scene with boxed edges, top and base. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 1, 2014 Author Share Posted January 1, 2014 I think you are confusing the twi different categories... By my reading there is no requirement for forced perspective in the 4x1 area 'Picture Frame. Sorry, I should have been clearer, both categories are for perspective modelling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted January 1, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2014 The reason for the question is to get a sense of perspective, 1' deep is not very much, and across a 4' width it will be harder to maintain the perspective from multiple viewing points. From a 1' width, and 4' depth, both of these issues are lessened. We should have known you wouldn't want a bog standard approach...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted January 1, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2014 Ahhhhhhh. There are TWO challenges..... Sorry, I missed that - i thought the perspective and the picture frame were all part of the rules for the same challenge. Right, back to musing.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I have the spark of an idea for this, but would be a cross of the two categories. Can you do a 'boxed in' model for the general category as well? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom J Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I'm not feeling very excited about this one for myself, BUT am very interested to see what others come up with. We have some very creative people here and some of them are already looking interested! Stubby, how about a version of that Dutch layout featuring an underground railway and a sewer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I did have an idea of modelling both ends of a tunnel looking through it, however if the box has to be viewed from the side and not end on I'll have to can that idea. Think Grosmont tunnel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Does it have to be of a railway subject? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 A viaduct is an interesting subject that can be modelled in a small area. The black and white picture shows my 4' x 2' N gauge Corfe Viaduct layout under construction and displayed by Swanage Turntable in the 1970s. The colour picture shows the viaduct and the backscene. The area of the displayed area of the layout is 4' wide x 1' deep x 1' high. Perspective was achieved by cutting out a picture of Corfe Castle from a magazine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJBambrick Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Andy, is there a "here's one we did earlier" category? You never know, there might be quite a few modellers who could submit their entries sooner, and just think of the time & materials they will have saved by doing so! Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 2, 2014 Heres one I did earlier! Badgers Oak from Abbotswood Junction - 1/76 - with perspective given by 1:1 background scenery We cheat in the same way with background greenery when filming Abbotswood outdoors Cheers Phil Edited to eliminate precipitous hedge lines! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 3, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2014 Ha!!! Thought I rotated that picture Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I put some perspective into my 00 gauge model of Swanage Station by placing some 1/87 scale vehicles between Swanage Station and the backscene and then painting the buildings in 1/100 scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I never did get the question answered, I have a couple of ideas that are railway related but how much flexibility are we allowed with the subject matter? I quite like the idea of taking a slightly more artistic approach and going for a one/two point perspective rather than the approach some others are taking, is this allowable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveyH Posted January 8, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2014 Beat this............ As created by Jack Nelson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 I never did get the question answered, I have a couple of ideas that are railway related but how much flexibility are we allowed with the subject matter? I quite like the idea of taking a slightly more artistic approach and going for a one/two point perspective rather than the approach some others are taking, is this allowable? I can't see why not (says he with a worried look). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony M Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Sorry... I couldn't resist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Despite showing the wife the educational film I still had to explain perspective in model format to her..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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