RMweb Premium Ramrig Posted December 18, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2009 I hear the A2s were at Warley today, in all liveries! I don't surpose anyone has any pictures? I too would like to see the A2 model if it was there. I took these at Warley. Sorry they are not clearer. The glass was giving strange reflections (Thats my excuse and I am sticking with it) Forgot to mention. I was told by the Bachmann Rep should be in the shops by Easter 2010 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbeagleowner Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 ARe these the Bachmann's models or DJH kits to give us a taster? From the photos they have a certain kit built look to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ramrig Posted December 18, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2009 ARe these the Bachmann's models or DJH kits to give us a taster? From the photos they have a certain kit built look to them. They looked like Bachmann models to me. I am/was 2/3 of the way through building a DJH model and the kit is not as good as the one on display at Warley. But I may be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 The A2 due July/August The 04 due June/July Far later than thought Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Good things come to those who wait. Wouldn't you rather they took the time to get everything just right? After all, the modern boys are still waiting for their autoballasters and the lengthy wait for the 4 CEP has proved fully justified! :icon_thumbsup2: Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I too would rather see them right than rushed out to some arbitrary and meaningless deadline. Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUTLER2579 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 If your all so desperate go on ebay and look for a DJH A2 Built to the same sort of standard that we are all expecting from Bachmann and if your wallet can afford it buy it but its LIKELY TO COST YOU AT LEAST ABOUT ??200. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 If your all so desperate go on ebay and look for a DJH A2 Built to the same sort of standard that we are all expecting from Bachmann and if your wallet can afford it buy it but its LIKELY TO COST YOU AT LEAST ABOUT ??200. Well said Derek! I don't think a few extra months is going to hurt to wait, surely? Gives me some time to make some money after Xmas shopping at any rate... ...good things come to he who waits.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I see from Ramrig's pictures that BB's return crank is "reverse polarity". Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Does that mean it should be about 30 deg forward of where it is in the picture then? Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TomTank Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 I certainly don't mind the wait, the locos look stunning and this rate I can save up for more than more, now with my mood for early nationalization, I think AH Peppercorn and Tudor Minstrel both in Apple Green are a must!!! Bravo to Bachmann though, both models look stunning, absolutely stunning! :icon_clap: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Bit harsh "LIKELY TO COST YOU AT LEAST ABOUT ??200." Er I don't mind the wait either - I'm surprised as I've had varying comments from retailers and a rep that it been due sinc last last october. I've already built two DJH and a PDK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted December 22, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2009 I would have thought you would be very lucky to get a kit built A2 for ??200. I appreciate that unfortunately the second hand value of a kit built loco is aways far less than one paid for it , but as a good professional would want about ??600 for building one, plus a paint job on top of that, ??200 would be to say the least a bargain. In fact, I reckon it would not be far off the cost of the kit plus wheels motor and gears! People really should try to keep a sense of perspective. Will the Bachmann A2 when it emerges look as good as my professionally built DJH one? I bet it will. Will it run as well? I suspect it will run better. And I will be able if I wish to afford about five of them for the same cost as one from DJH. Not of course that I shall be getting five. Even for me that would be a bit excessive, especially as most of them were as rare as hen's teeth on the southern part of the ECML. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUTLER2579 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 "As rare as Hens Teeth" they may well have been,I do agree,although I often saw 60526,60536 and 60539 at Grantham in the 1958-1961 period and dear old 60533 made us very Happy Knights on far too many occassions until we realised it was not 60532 Blue Peter coming into view. More likely to see John & Shep from the BBC. Being pretty quick on the uptake I have JUST realised that SHEP probably never took his name from an old Jim Reeves Sad song about a mans dog,but, from the fact that the Blue Peter Garden was at SHEPherds Bush near to the Television Centre at White City. WELL I WILL BE 63 IN 48 HOURS TIME SO GO GENTLY ON ME. Merry Xmas to one and all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Congratulations Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted December 22, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2009 "As rare as Hens Teeth" they may well have been,I do agree,although I often saw 60526,60536 and 60539 at Grantham in the 1958-1961 period and dear old 60533 made us very Happy Knights on far too many occassions until we realised it was not 60532 Blue Peter coming into view. More likely to see John & Shep from the BBC. Being pretty quick on the uptake I have JUST realised that SHEP probably never took his name from an old Jim Reeves Sad song about a mans dog,but, from the fact that the Blue Peter Garden was at SHEPherds Bush near to the Television Centre at White City. WELL I WILL BE 63 IN 48 HOURS TIME SO GO GENTLY ON ME. Merry Xmas to one and all. 538 rather than 536 I think Derek? 536 was a very rare beast - in fact one of the very few pacifics I never saw. As for the Knight, it may have been happy, but the sheds that got it never seemed to be. It just seemed to get passed on to someone else as soon as possible. Could it be that it wasn't a very good loco? I would love to know more about things like this. Surely it is long enough now for those who are still around with personal knowledge to spill the beans? For example, it has been said often enough that 60010 was a very poor A4 till it got a kylchap. What other black sheep were there I wonder? And, as we are told that after a few years every loco had very few of its original parts left, isn't it surprising that they would continue to be poor locos for many years? Can anyone shed some light on this? And as for going gently on you because you are nearly 63, why should we be kind to mere youngsters? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 The simple answer to differences in performance between locomotives built to the same design, is quite straightforward in principle: there is variance in every aspect of the constructional technique of any physical product, even one made using precision machine tools or vacuum deposition of dopants; and on steam locomotives which were largely hand crafted the variation can be significant. A few areas which have been proven to be highly sensitive to small differences in construction: firebox airflow through dampers, ashpans and grates, steam flow through the multiple joints in the steam circuit, airtightness of the smokebox and blast pipe and petticoat arrangement, timing and precision of valve gear setting. Much of this was done by hand work with little in the way of precision tools. A loco that happened to get a heavy dose of 'less effective' differences would end up sluggish or shy for steam compared with the norm for the class. It would be expected that the mixing of components by general overhauls would in time spread out the 'bad news' among the class; and I have seen references to locos coming back from general overhaul with not quite the 'sparkle' expected, based on their performance prior. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted December 22, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2009 The simple answer to differences in performance between locomotives built to the same design, is quite straightforward in principle: there is variance in every aspect of the constructional technique of any physical product, even one made using precision machine tools or vacuum deposition of dopants; and on steam locomotives which were largely hand crafted the variation can be significant. A few areas which have been proven to be highly sensitive to small differences in construction: firebox airflow through dampers, ashpans and grates, steam flow through the multiple joints in the steam circuit, airtightness of the smokebox and blast pipe and petticoat arrangement, timing and precision of valve gear setting. Much of this was done by hand work with little in the way of precision tools. A loco that happened to get a heavy dose of 'less effective' differences would end up sluggish or shy for steam compared with the norm for the class. It would be expected that the mixing of components by general overhauls would in time spread out the 'bad news' among the class; and I have seen references to locos coming back from general overhaul with not quite the 'sparkle' expected, based on their performance prior. Thanks Paul, that makes things much clearer I hadn't thought about how many small things had to be done manually which could affect performance so greatly. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Corresponded with Dave Bradwell recently, and he is considering doing a P4 chassis kit for the A2, to the same specifications as his A1 chassis. Good prospect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 It would be expected that the mixing of components by general overhauls would in time spread out the 'bad news' among the class. The only major items to be mixed about at overhauls would be the boilers. All the mechanical gubbins was supposed to stay with the same loco throughout. All the motion parts were stamped with their individual loco number. That was the method used to identify locos when going round Barry scrapyard c1970. Not necessarily foolproof though as even the Gas Works Railway got things mixed up occasionally. Duke of Gloucester is the classic case of inferior air flow through the ashpan giving less than sparkling performance in BR service. Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TomTank Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 Bachmann have now given a date of release for the A2s July/August, ironically pretty much dead on two years from when it was first announced. http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=branchline&prod=3 No pictures yet, but looking forward to it. As has been said much better Bachmann take there time and we get a stunning set of locos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Bachmann have now given a date of release for the A2s July/August, ironically pretty much dead on two years from when it was first announced. http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=branchline&prod=3 No pictures yet, but looking forward to it. As has been said much better Bachmann take there time and we get a stunning set of locos curiously Blue Peter is no langer listed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 curiously Blue Peter is no langer listed... I've heard sticky-back plastic & toilet rolls are in short supply in China.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed-farms Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 curiously Blue Peter is no langer listed... She is listed here http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=branchline&prod=1 Digital Train Sets & Commemorative Models, down as June/July. Hope so as I worked on Blue Peter in the 88-92 overhaul and have a long history with this loco. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Does that mean it should be about 30 deg forward of where it is in the picture then? Dave. Sorry Max, I should have replied to your question earlier (much earlier!). Yes, you are correct. When the coupling rods are at the bottom, the return crank should lean forwards not backwards as shown. Many manufacturers seem to get it wrong on one side or t'other so that the cranks lean to the left (or right) on both sides. Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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