RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 15, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 15, 2018 It might have had something to do with platform length or the positioning of parcels or mail traffic for loading. The idea of a brake towards the centre of the train is a consequence of giving the guard a good view in both directions; unstaffed stations are inferred here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 15, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 15, 2018 Hi, Dave. The Nene Valley Railway photo’s are fantastic, and British stock on that line has always been quite unusual, if you see what I mean. A delightful line for all the preserved stock from continental countries. What a grim history for that tank engine, 64305. The ECML photo’s are as great as ever, and I love the Deltic hauled expresses. Then that remarkable pink sky in C1423, a painting could be produced from that. Surely those brake coaches would be as easy to marshall the right way round as the wrong way, or is there something I’m missing? With warmest regards, Rob. It's not at all easy to get a brake coach the "correct" way round. Without a turntable, turning wye or a lot of shuffling in the carriage sidings they just got left as they were, operationally it makes no odds. I notice a lot of layouts have brakes at the ends of trains in perfect symmetry, it's not necessarily correct. Mike. It might have had something to do with platform length or the positioning of parcels or mail traffic for loading. The idea of a brake towards the centre of the train is a consequence of giving the guard a good view in both directions; unstaffed stations are inferred here. Portion trains need brakes in the middle of consists also. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 15, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 15, 2018 Surely those brake coaches would be as easy to marshall the right way round as the wrong way, or is there something I’m missing? Best thing about a brake wrong way round (brake compartment towards the main train) it was usually very sparsely populated as any passengers walking through the train rarely looked beyond the brake compartment..... Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 15, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 15, 2018 Best thing about a brake wrong way round (brake compartment towards the main train) it was usually very sparsely populated as any passengers walking through the train rarely looked beyond the brake compartment..... Cheers, Mick Similarly if the brake wasn't the first vehicle in the train. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35A Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 yes it is, in the very early years on the NVR they used to have the 4COR unit as hauled stock. along with, I think, a car from the birghton belle Pullman train. That's correct. 4COR no 3142, "Brighton Belle" vehicle 290 (a Driving Motor Brake from set 3052) and there was also the "Bognor Buffet" - on loan from the NRM but torched by vandals whilst at Wansford. http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=551 Here's a fairly motley selection of SR stock (the 4COR was behind the leading two vehicles), with some East Coast super-power, taken in September 1981: 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted July 16, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2018 May 1979 at Didcot for today. Those who have followed this thread for a long time will notice the Morris Dancers again. Didcot 253017 up May 79 C4504 Didcot 253008 down May 79 C4506 Didcot 5322 May 79 C4520 Didcot Smith Rodley steam crane 23059 of 1954 May 79 C4538 Didcot 5900 Hinderton Hall May 79 C4547 David 29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2018 Love the atmospheric shot of Grantham David. I notice in your ECML pictures it seemed quite a common occurrence to have brake coaches the wrong way round One thing to consider is that by then the brake coaches were no longer officially the wrong way round - that requirement had vanished by the time Mk2 stock was on the scene. So just that it looked a bit 'untidy' as opposed to being officially 'not right' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted July 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2018 Hi, Dave. I like the photo's from Didcot in May, 1979. A splendid selection, and in C4506, with HST, 253008, on a down service, in May, 1979, you can see how the HST's were for their first few years, with no exhaust deflector plates on the power car roofs, or TGS's to accommodate the guard. Combined with the original yellow, blue and grey livery, they always made such a fine sight. A shame, but perhaps inevitable, that they should be so disfigured in later years. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) brake coaches were no longer officially the wrong way round - that requirement had vanished by the time Mk2 stock was on the scene. Was that requirement after the Welwyn accident, Mike, or did it predate that? Edited July 16, 2018 by jwealleans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted July 17, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) Back to Scotland now with a look at Edinburgh in the 70s and 80s. It's good to have photos taken in sunshine for a change. One photo is a bit different... Edinburgh Class 47 1969 l e Aug 73 J3264 Edinburgh Scottish Academy summer exhibition Aug 73 J3268 Edinburgh Princes Street Gardens 43122 Aberdeen to Kings X 12th April 86 C7430 Edinburgh Princes Street Gardens 37033 down special 12th April 86 C7431 Edinburgh Princes Street Gardens 107436 down 12th April 86 C7432 David Edited July 18, 2018 by DaveF 44 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Best thing about a brake wrong way round (brake compartment towards the main train) it was usually very sparsely populated as any passengers walking through the train rarely looked beyond the brake compartment..... Cheers, Mick Exactly, and just the sort of thing to look for when my chosen train arrived at the station. I remember travelling in the very first coach, a Mk2 BSK, between Watford and Carlisle one day many decades ago. The guards area was facing away from the loco, and there were no signs to indicate the seating area was out of bounds, so I sat on my own in the carriage. No one joined me until (I think) Preston, when an elderly couple sat in another group of seats. However, I soon found out that the guard had not expected anyone to be in the carriage, because as we left Watford heading north - the carriage was plunged into complete darkness as we accelerated through the tunnels. There were no lights switched on at all. This situation remained through much of the journey, and it was a very eerie sensation to be racing through the next few tunnels at 100mph in the pitch black. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 17, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) Nice set of photos again Dave. The track in the first one looks like someones failed effort to get Peco Streamline points to line up on a curve. There's two definite changes of radius through the LH part of the double junction, with some almost straight bits! Cheers Keith Edited July 17, 2018 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted July 17, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 17, 2018 Hi, Dave. I like the latest Edinburgh photo’s. A superb set, and in C7431, of 37053, on a down special, on 12th, April, 1986, that is a particularly well composed photo’ and it’s good seeing the carriages snaking over the crossovers as the train gets over to its running line. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 May 1979 at Didcot for today. Those who have followed this thread for a long time will notice the Morris Dancers again. I was looking for something subtle in the train pictures - wasn't actually expecting to see a group of Morris Dancers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 The First Class yellow stripe on the 254 (C7430) looks very thick compared to the 253 (C4530), or maybe it's just clean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 17, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 17, 2018 Compare the first photo with the HST one to see how the trackwork was rationalised. Double crossovers with switch diamonds(I think there was another set behind the camera going back across), eventually replaced with a simpler ladder of points between adjacent tracks. Quite a common occurrence as 'direct' routings were simplified to enable easier, less costly maintenance. (Another nearby example would be the multiple crossovers at Saughton junction, between the Edin-GlasQS and Fife lines) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 17, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) a filmed version of J3264 is from 05:15 to 05:50 on this: (hope you don't mind the link, Dave) Class 27 push-pulls, 3-car cl.101 and a cl.40 hauled Aberdeen or Inverness express with Griddle car (all with copious amounts of blue smoke) would've been everyday, normal sights for this piece of railway. Edited July 17, 2018 by keefer 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Glory Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) Back to Scotland now with a look at Edinburgh in the 70s and 80s. It's good to have photos taken in sunshine for a change. Edinburgh Class 47 1967 l e Aug 73 J3264.jpg . Edinburgh Class 47 1967 l e Aug 73 J3264 Edinburgh Princes Street Gardens 37053 down special 12th April 86 C7431.jpg Edinburgh Princes Street Gardens 37053 down special 12th April 86 C7431 David J3264 - More likely 1969 from studying the number. C7431 - Definitely 37033. According to http://www.class37info.co.uk/history.aspx, 1Z43 12.30 Edinburgh - Dundee footex and return. . Edited July 17, 2018 by Western Glory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted July 18, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2018 J3264 - More likely 1969 from studying the number. C7431 - Definitely 37033. According to http://www.class37info.co.uk/history.aspx, 1Z43 12.30 Edinburgh - Dundee footex and return. . Thanks very much, I've amended the captions. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted July 18, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) East Anglia today, back in the 1970s. One shows the remains of part of the Southwold Railway, the others are on Great Eastern lines - though one of the locos is a stranger to the area. Southwold Railway bridge over R Blyth Oct 72 C1159 Bentley Class 47 down June 75 J4376 47167 Bentley Class 31 Peterborough to Parkeston Quay June 75 J4495 Bentley Class 47 Liverpol St to Norwich June 75 J4496 47115 or 47116 Manningtree SR S15 841 Greene King l e Oct 77 C3553 David Edited July 18, 2018 by DaveF 26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted July 18, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 18, 2018 J3690 from a few days ago looks like it might be 55021 From today, J4376 is 47167 and J4496 could be 47115 or 116? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted July 18, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2018 Hi, Dave. I like the East Anglian photo’s. The first one of the Southwold Railway bridge over the River Blyth, in October, 1972, is a great view, and there is detail to be seen which might be of help to modellers. J4495, at Bentley, with a class 31 on a Peterborough to Parkeston Quay service in June, 1975, has only 5 Mk1’s for the passengers. I suppose a short formation would be right for the traffic to be expected on such a service. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35A Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 J3690 from a few days ago looks like it might be 55021 From today, J4376 is 47167 and J4496 could be 47115 or 116? Fully agree with Andrew. Definitely 55 021 from the size of the nameplate. I think that you can safely remove the 'probably', David. J4496, which I looked at this afternoon: I was also pretty certain that it was 47 115 (the former Class 48 D1703), when I'd maximised and sharpened it, good to have a second opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35A Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) J4495, at Bentley, with a class 31 on a Peterborough to Parkeston Quay service in June, 1975, has only 5 Mk1’s for the passengers. I suppose a short formation would be right for the traffic to be expected on such a service. That working, at the time 1B69 down/1C18 up (previously 1B13 down/1C15 up), was a regular for us oiks after school, for a trip down to March to bunk around the depot, plus a bit of spotting of traffic going into and out of Whitemoor and along the Joint line. We'd time it so that we got back to March station in time for 1S38, the Colchester to Glasgow service (it became 3S38, a parcels only service, in 1971), which was re-engined from a Type 3 to a Type 4 at March - usually a class 37 handing over to a class 40. I still remember, one night, being particularly grumpy (as we'd hung around specifically for that train) when the relieving loco was D1106 - a Brush 4 that we saw day in, day out on the ECML. Edited July 18, 2018 by 35A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted July 19, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2018 Loco hauled passenger trains on the Grantham to Nottingham line for today's selection. As you might expect from the loco classes they are the summer trains to Skegness and Yarmouth. Radcliffe on Trent 2 Class 20 Derby to Skegness July 77 J5733 Radcliffe on Trent 2 Class 20s Derby to Skegness May 78 J6102 Radcliffe on Trent 2 Class 20s to Skegness Aug 78 C4101 Radcliffe on Trent 2 Class 25s Yarmouth to Derby May 79 J6485 Radcliffe on Trent 2 Class 25s Yarmouth to Derby June 79 J6498 David 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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