JSpencer Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Hi all, Bachmann are currently listing this warflat wagon Suitable for era's 3, 4 & 5. I am planning to use these for my layout's time period mid 1980's to mid 1990's with the Oxford diecast military Land Rover Defenders. I am also thinking of using the Bofors gun. Both these items have been manufactured in khaki & 'desert sand 'so a realistic rake complete with a Bachmann VGA at the rear could be made. However, it would be nice to have a ready made Scorpion or Warrior tank for the potentially forth coming well wagon. Maybe Bachmann will commission a manufacturer to provide this as well..... Any ideas out there? Except that the army had stopped using WWII style (L60) Bofors by the 1980s (and even long before then). I doubt there were even any postwar L70s left by then, with Rapier missile system being around from the mid 70s. The RN still had plenty in stock but the sea going mount is entirely different. That said, I personally will pretend some re-enactment group has a hired a train to move stuff around and have a whole host of Oxfords military stuff being pulled around. (their Churchill will make a nice compliment to Bachmann's Cromwells). Edited October 10, 2016 by JSpencer 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyA Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Except that the army had stopped using WWII style (L60) Bofors by the 1980s (and even long before then). I doubt there were even any postwar L70s left by then, with Rapier missile system being around from the mid 70s. The RN still had plenty in stock but the sea going mount is entirely different. That said, I personally will pretend some re-enactment group has a hired a train to move stuff around and have a whole host of Oxfords military stuff being pulled around. (their Churchill will make a nice compliment to Bachmann's Cromwells). Good luck removing the air inlet louvres, aerial base and AA gun mounting spigot to bring it within loading gauge. I would suggest it would be easier with an Airfix kit. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Good luck removing the air inlet louvres, aerial base and AA gun mounting spigot to bring it within loading gauge. I would suggest it would be easier with an Airfix kit. Tony The ancient Airfix Mk VII has far too many errors to be corrected. I suspect/hope that the Oxford Diecast Churchill air inlets are separate pieces and will pop off (will see when I have one). I have a photo from the 70s showing warflats carrying Chieftain Tanks. I wonder how that passed the loading gauge or did someone mess up placing such a big heavy modern tank onto a warflat? Edited October 10, 2016 by JSpencer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2016 I suspect the chieftains will be on the version used in Germany, lots came back as we reduced operations over there. They certainly don't fit in the Uk except on internal MOD systems. The WW2 style lasted a lot longer in internal use than the main network. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamperman36 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 as Im modelling the late 80s and 90s they are technically to early for me but I may get a couple and mark them as internal user. I could really use some of the later ones as Im working on a military train at the moment and will be building several warflat/warwell kits in the near future. Im also building up a nice set of VEA wagons with the explosives markings using the Parkside kits. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Looking forward to these, my layout is early 40s Edited October 10, 2016 by GreenGiraffe22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 I suspect the chieftains will be on the version used in Germany, lots came back as we reduced operations over there. They certainly don't fit in the Uk except on internal MOD systems. The WW2 style lasted a lot longer in internal use than the main network. Three train loads of ex-BAOR ones (a total of 81 wagons) came back via the Channel Tunnel. At Cheriton, they were transferred to road trailers; the foot-wide deck extension on each side made them out-of-gauge. A couple went to E G Steele for conversion to UK loading gauge, the rest ending up as internal users at various MoD sites. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 A load of Vickers Vigor tractors from Liverpool docks crossing the East Lancs Road in Liverpool on the North Liverpool CLC line in the late 1960s. A route I am modelling. I also like the tractors. A large scale demonstration model / toy of this tractor was used for the tracked vehicles such as The Mole in TVs Thunderbirds so that has appeal to me too to model. Someone did do a whitemetal 1/76 kit of one of these but I believe it is now out of production which is a shame. Im hoping I can find some. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 A load of Vickers Vigor tractors from Liverpool docks crossing the East Lancs Road in Liverpool on the North Liverpool CLC line in the late 1960s. A route I am modelling. I also like the tractors. A large scale demonstration model / toy of this tractor was used for the tracked vehicles such as The Mole in TVs Thunderbirds so that has appeal to me too to model. Someone did do a whitemetal 1/76 kit of one of these but I believe it is now out of production which is a shame. Im hoping I can find some. image.jpg I think it was BW Models, Michael; the masters may have been sold on. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Yeah thats right Brian, i remember getting in touch with the new owner who has the moulds but he didnt want to continue making it. Ill keep an eye out for some second hand ones, only want a couple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going2theDogs Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Hi all, Some good news.... Hatton's have announced today that they are planning to provide the warwell wagon in 00 & 0 gauge. These will be available suitable for different eras & some also available 'weathered'. These will be available in Q4 2017. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted October 15, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 15, 2016 Some useful photos are on the IWM website, including these: http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/search?query=warflat&=Search&items_per_page=10 Note the Churchills with their air intake covers stowed on the rear deck and the tank loads camouflaged as PO coal wagons. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
25901 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 The ancient Airfix Mk VII has far too many errors to be corrected. I suspect/hope that the Oxford Diecast Churchill air inlets are separate pieces and will pop off (will see when I have one). I have a photo from the 70s showing warflats carrying Chieftain Tanks. I wonder how that passed the loading gauge or did someone mess up placing such a big heavy modern tank onto a warflat? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 A load of Vickers Vigor tractors from Liverpool docks crossing the East Lancs Road in Liverpool on the North Liverpool CLC line in the late 1960s. A route I am modelling. I also like the tractors. A large scale demonstration model / toy of this tractor was used for the tracked vehicles such as The Mole in TVs Thunderbirds so that has appeal to me too to model. Someone did do a whitemetal 1/76 kit of one of these but I believe it is now out of production which is a shame. Im hoping I can find some. image.jpg Am I right in thinking that these were the tractors used post-WW2 by the RNLI for lifeboat launching? I recall the one at St.Ives (Cornwall) as looking very similar to this one. Regards, John Isherwood. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Nice photo of Warflats with a Churchill Mk II. Hasagawa do a kit of this, although in a slightly larger scale of 1/72nd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfish Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Its been pointed out on a few different threads but Milicast do a range of 1/76 AFV's suitable for wargamers and modellers. Perfect for loads. http://www.milicast.com/shop/home.php Jaymes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 I think the cheiftan photo was of one of the two 'tankflats' that were built, which could be made wider and had variable gauge bogies. Think with the extended sides (and tank) they were out of gauge in the uk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6767 Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 Am I right in thinking that these were the tractors used post-WW2 by the RNLI for lifeboat launching? I recall the one at St.Ives (Cornwall) as looking very similar to this one. Regards, John Isherwood. No, the tractors I think you are remembering were Fowler Challengers, 13 of which, numbers T56 to T68, were delivered to the RNLI by John Fowler of Leeds between 1954 and 1960. I now own one of them, T62. The ones in the pic do look similar to the Fowlers. From 1962 to 1965 the RNLI took delivery of 13 Case 1000s, T69 to T81, St.Ives did indeed have a Fowler Challenger in the 1950s and early 60s, replaced by a Case 1000 in the mid 1960s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted October 16, 2016 Share Posted October 16, 2016 No, the tractors I think you are remembering were Fowler Challengers, 13 of which, numbers T56 to T68, were delivered to the RNLI by John Fowler of Leeds between 1954 and 1960. I now own one of them, T62. The ones in the pic do look similar to the Fowlers. From 1962 to 1965 the RNLI took delivery of 13 Case 1000s, T69 to T81, St.Ives did indeed have a Fowler Challenger in the 1950s and early 60s, replaced by a Case 1000 in the mid 1960s. You are correct - a little googling confirms that it was the Fowler that I recall. The Vickers Vigor was certainly an imposing beast for its time, though! Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Do any of the diecast vehicle producers sell an appropriate load for one of these wagons? Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wamwig Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Do any of the diecast vehicle producers sell an appropriate load for one of these wagons? Regards Oxford Diecast are about to release a diecast Churchill tank in their military range, first release a Kingforce Churchill, I'm sure others will follow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 The Vickers Vigor was certainly an imposing beast for its time, though! Regards, John Isherwood. It looks big on the wagon, if on a model it might not look "right" so to speak. Which is when someone comments and you show them the photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 For any one needing an idea as to how to run them. http://www.railalbum.co.uk/railway-wagons/military/ww2-warflat-train-gwr-1.htm No doubt alternative parts of the country used a similar arrangement. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fat Controller Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Couple of large ingot moulds from RT Models would look nice on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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