Swindon 123 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Hello all. Another livery question. I've been trying to find a photo of a class 25 with the bodyside grills, as opposed to cantrail grills, that lasted beyond 1969 with a small yellow panel. I've not found a photo of one beyond mid 69. Considering the later body style in two tone green had a couple that lasted until 1973 this seems strange. So far I've managed to find D5185. 5214 and 5222 all photographed April-May 1969, nothing beyond that. Does anyone know of any that lasted later than those? Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I have a vague recollection of 5153 at Sheffield in March 71 in green with small warning panel, no photo, maybe it rings a bell with someone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) I have a vague recollection of 5153 at Sheffield in March 71 in green with small warning panel, no photo, maybe it rings a bell with someone Thanks for the info scorpion. Have only found one shot of that one and its livery can't be made out although it has FYE. Date of photo is March 1971? but it may be wrong in date and loco number. My best candidate so far is D5192. I've found a photo dated March 1970 in colour showing that it had a blue data panel and another one at Kingmore depot open day in May 1971. If both dates can be relied upon then this is the latest one I've found so far. Paul J. Edited June 8, 2014 by Swindon 123 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted June 14, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 14, 2014 D5230 was GSYP in July 1969, but became GFYE sometime in 1970. This photo of D5192 suggests it was blue in March 1971 [https://www.flickr.com/photos/96859208@N07/9697249285] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted June 15, 2014 Author Share Posted June 15, 2014 D5230 was GSYP in July 1969, but became GFYE sometime in 1970. This photo of D5192 suggests it was blue in March 1971 [https://www.flickr.com/photos/96859208@N07/9697249285] stovepipe thanks for the info on D5230. I have seen the photo you refer to but as I can't see the number I don't consider it reliable. The shot I've found of D5192 at Kingmore in May 71 you can see the number and the front end clearly. The Derby Sulzer website confirms the loco was at Kingmore on the day in question, so although not 100% certain this was the latest one, I'm about 80% happy it's the one of the last. Unless anyone can prove otherwise. After all that is why I asked the question. Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted June 15, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 15, 2014 (edited) The photo of D5230 I mean is a side-on shot taken at Cambridge Road, St Pancras and the number is clearly visible. It's dated as 12 July 1969, but this could of course be incorrect. Edit: This one: http://www.derbysulzers.com/5230stpa.jpg Edited June 15, 2014 by stovepipe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted June 16, 2014 Author Share Posted June 16, 2014 The photo of D5230 I mean is a side-on shot taken at Cambridge Road, St Pancras and the number is clearly visible. It's dated as 12 July 1969, but this could of course be incorrect. Edit: This one: http://www.derbysulzers.com/5230stpa.jpg Sorry stovepipe I wasn't inferring your info and shot of D5230 was wrong. I missed out some wording. After "stovepipe thanks for the info on D5230. I have seen the photo you refer to " I should have put, "of D5192 in blue dated March 1971,". I hope this clears up any misunderstanding. It's a nice shot of D5230 you linked. It seems that a lot of the Cricklewood based 25's kept SYE until mid 69 and maybe into 70. Paul J. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted June 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 17, 2014 No problem, all is clear now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted June 21, 2014 Author Share Posted June 21, 2014 (edited) Trawling through my Railway Observers came up with the info that in the November issue, 5192 was reported in Standard Blue. As there is usually a couple of months delay in the printing process that would put the sighting sometime around August-September. If all the reports and photos are correct could it be that D5192 went from Green SYE to Blue without receiving FYE? Paul J Edited June 21, 2014 by Swindon 123 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 Sluggard that I am best I can offer is 1969. There were several of the other kind into the early 70s and at least two into Feb 1974. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david ellis Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 This one maybe? http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p870790610/h110b378d#h1842dd45 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 2, 2014 Or from the same site, this one; http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p870790610/h1842DD45#had1e36 Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted July 4, 2014 Author Share Posted July 4, 2014 Or from the same site, this one; http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p870790610/h1842DD45#had1e36 Mike. Sorry Enterprisingwestern but it's the wrong bodystyle. its the ones with the bodyside grills I'm after. Nice photo though. This one maybe? http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p870790610/h110b378d#h1842dd45 Thanks for pointing out that one david. looked in that site before but didn't spot that one. Haven't discovered when that one might have got FYE or into Blue yet. I've come across another candidate, D7595. There is a shot of it with a date of c.1970 with small yellow ends at Preston, but by Aug 1970 it seems to have acquired FYE as there is a photo of it like that on Newton Heath depot. Haven't found any more info on both the above locos so D5192 still seems a good bet as to being the last one. Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 I have found another candidate for the last one of this sub type with small yellow ends. D5194. There is a photo of it in Green Diesel Days by Derek Huntriss. Page 51 has a shot of it in Greyrigg loop, GSYE dated 18 July 1971. If the caption is correct this would make it the latest one I've found so far. Another D10 Preston division/ KM loco. They seem to be slow in putting FYE on their locos. Can anyone add anymore info as to this loco? Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Can add one thing, it was blue by late November 1971 so unlikely to have ever been GFYE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 Thanks Russell for the info regarding D5194. From all the photos I've seen and if the captions for them are correct, then it would seem that there is a possibility that both D5192 and D5194 went from GSYP to blue in the late summer of 1971. Can't be many locos that did that? Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david ellis Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 If the caption to this picture is correct D5192 was BFYE by 30th March 1971 http://www.flickr.com/photos/96859208@N07/9697249285/in/photolist-fLUWnc-fevu1n-as8Jb1-6b2SqK-8XWsk9-cAPDhs-aQtQ5v-b3pupV-apY3WA-8ngw9p-c6qru3-psXd29-a6Dsui-g9RVHS-8ZfWR-a6GiRw-px7qkk-mt6o1q-6F8gAb-pvFGrA-5SA3he Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Quite a few 25s went GSYP to blue, at least 7600/59 were still GSYP in February 1974. Many still GSYP in the early 70s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 If the caption to this picture is correct D5192 was BFYE by 30th March 1971 http://www.flickr.com/photos/96859208@N07/9697249285/in/photolist-fLUWnc-fevu1n-as8Jb1-6b2SqK-8XWsk9-cAPDhs-aQtQ5v-b3pupV-apY3WA-8ngw9p-c6qru3-psXd29-a6Dsui-g9RVHS-8ZfWR-a6GiRw-px7qkk-mt6o1q-6F8gAb-pvFGrA-5SA3he That particular photo first came up in Post 4 and my reasons for discounting either the date or the number being right are in Post 5. One of the problems with these sorts of questions is that if you rely on photos you have to hope the identification or date are correct. The reason for believing that D5192 was GSYP until May 71 at least is the info comes from two separate sources, one a photo, the other an open day report. Interesting hunt for the truth though. Maulder & Scully required?? Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell Saxton Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Not really what you are looking for but 5230 was recorded 24/7/71 with full yellow ends one end and panels the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 Not really what you are looking for but 5230 was recorded 24/7/71 with full yellow ends one end and panels the other. I feel another photographic hunt in the offing for that one. Tempted to model it. Paul J. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Paul . Don't know if this helps ? . (D)7647 outside the former steam shed at Bescot, Sunday 19th. August, 1973. . Taken during a Cardiff & Avonside Railway Society Midlands Tour; and also present that morning were:-. Bescot Yard1725,3974,5064, 5091, 5169, 5183, 5229, 5239, 5243, 5251, 5291, 7609, 7616, 7622, 7630, 76448068, 8088E3189, 81012 fromerly E3014 Bescot BS1540, 1547, 1627, 1641, 1678, 1709, 1742,3108, 3115, 3116, 3191, 3364, 3397, 3752, 3757, 3780, 3781, 3925, 3977, 3979, 3980,5062, 5295, 7538, 7603, 7631, 7647, Brian R EDIT:- Silly me, I should have read the initial post more carefully, this photo shows the wrong sub-class !!!!! Edited January 8, 2015 by br2975 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Not really what you are looking for but 5230 was recorded 24/7/71 with full yellow ends one end and panels the other. You don't know which end was which Russel by per-chance??? I've found at shot of it purporting to be in 1970 showing No1 cab with FYE. Haven't found a No 2 cab shot from that time yet. Paul . Don't know if this helps ? . (D)7647 outside the former steam shed at Bescot, Sunday 19th. August, 1973. . Taken during a Cardiff & Avonside Railway Society Midlands Tour; and also present that morning were:-. Bescot Yard 1725, 3974, 5064, 5091, 5169, 5183, 5229, 5239, 5243, 5251, 5291, 7609, 7616, 7622, 7630, 7644 8068, 8088 E3189, 81012 fromerly E3014 Bescot BS 1540, 1547, 1627, 1641, 1678, 1709, 1742, 3108, 3115, 3116, 3191, 3364, 3397, 3752, 3757, 3780, 3781, 3925, 3977, 3979, 3980, 5062, 5295, 7538, 7603, 7631, 7647, Brian R EDIT:- Silly me, I should have read the initial post more carefully, this photo shows the wrong sub-class !!!!! Not to worry Brian R, I hadn't seen that photo before so an interesting one to see. Another late GSYP one even if the wrong body style. Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david ellis Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 There is also D5212 in blue, yellow panels and lion & wheel emblem on 19th May 1970 http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=22521 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 There is also D5212 in blue, yellow panels and lion & wheel emblem on 19th May 1970 http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=22521 That looks green to me and the other half, our 8 year old says its blue though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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