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if it's the last 3 digits in the order number then it's up to 440 this afternoon for the standard 4-car DCC ready version

 

I believe the numbers are in consecutive order no matter which variation you order so 440 is the number of DCC fitted and DCC ready units which is not a bad number with still 9 months to go.

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if it's the last 3 digits in the order number then it's up to 440 this afternoon for the standard 4-car DCC ready version

 

No - my order number and model number don't tally.

 

Cheers,

Mick

p.s. who is considering asking for one as a combined birthday/Xmas pressy and not telling the wife that I've already got one on order.........................

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Hi guys

The issue number you have will be the number of the certificate with your model and it's my own list. Dcc ready certificates will start at no 1 and dcc with sound certificates will also start at no 1.

 

If you order by telephone we can tell you straight away what it is but if you order online pm me on here and I will get back to you with certificate number.

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The issue number you have will be the number of the certificate with your model and it's my own list.

Dcc ready certificates will start at no 1 and dcc with sound certificates will also start at no 1.

Eh? How does that work? Surely you can't have two No. 1s? The model is identical apart from a sound chip?

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Eh? How does that work? Surely you can't have two No. 1s? The model is identical apart from a sound chip?

 

I don't see that being a problem, providing that the certificate is clear as to which version it has been issued for.

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I am not sure if this is the correct interpretation, It may be that the numbering starts at one irrespective of whether it is DCC fitted or ready. i.e. if the first one ordered is a DCC fitted variant, then that gets to be No.1, but if the first one ordered is a DDC ready variant that gets to be No.1. Either way both variants could start at No.1,  but only one No.1 will be issued. Same with all subsequent numbers.

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I think it's pretty clear that the sound models will be treated as a seperate line to the non sound models. Therefore both seperate lines will begin at No1 with the certificates.

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Time to get a new H&S manager.

Probably not. The simple reason could be that no staff remained at Margate that were certified correctly for H&S and insurance purposes in regards that move which is what happens when you move your manufacturing offsite and simply become warehousing. My Moving and Handling certification wouldn't allow me to move or supervise the move of industrial machinery for instance, but without me or someone similarly certified supervising, for insurance purposes no one can even move a desk or PC in our office. Practically speaking, these things may in fact happen when I'm not in the room, but then I'm not dealing with several hundred kilogrammes of injection moulding tooling where the opportunity for foul up and injury is higher.

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They were also used in the Invincible class aircraft carriers too.

 

The main problem with gas turbines is that require a lot of specialist materials, meaning a very high cost unlike electric motors or even diesel engines.

 

As ananology, is comparing Turbomotive with a normal Princess. Running costs between both were quite similar (probably a tad advantageous for Turbomotive) but building costs for Turbomotive were 3 times more.

The Olympus is also used in static applications. Cowes power station (isle of Wight) uses four of them, and they are still in service (the power station only opened in 1982).

 

See https://www.rwe.com/web/cms/mediablob/en/97568/data/97574/4/rwe-npower/about-us/our-businesses/power-generation/cowes/dl-visitor.pdf

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Quote Simon Kohler's blog :-

 

'Of course it is not the first time that an APT has been produced. Back in 1980 Hornby produced a 5 car APT-P, which was produced both as a train set and a train pack. The launch of the model was approximately one year before the 1:1 version actually carried any passengers other than BR personnel as the train had been dogged by numerous operating problems. However, in 1984 after a great deal of development work the three APT-P trains that had been initially built entered revenue earning service. Unfortunately by then the damage to the trains reputation had been done and each of the three units over a period of time were gradually and quietly withdrawn from service.'

 

With the greatest of respect, COBBLERS!

 

A) The two APTs are very different trains and that first sentence sounds very much like sour grapes to me. And note that Rapido don't get a name check, unlike Bachmann later on.

 

 B)The launch of Hornby's APT-P was the SAME year in which the 1:1 scale version carried it first passengers, as that was on Dec 7th 1981 and I was one of them! I still have the ticket too. There may have been only 13 real fare paying passengers on that first run, but we weren't BR staff. OK, so some of us were EX-BR staff but I paid for my full price ticket with MY money. The P-Trains were taken out of service after a few days, but they were returned to service after a relatively short period during 1982, long before 1984!

 

As for Sun reporters, it was a good thing the prat didn't phone me and ask what the difference between the two tilt systems were. I'd have volunteered to show him, with the aid of a 3000 psi hydraulic hose and a shut-off valve.....

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Hi all,

 

Below is an overlay of the 3D scan data onto the train as we had designed it from the blueprints.  The 3D scan data is in grey.  You can see how it is different.  

 

Our engineer is now working to reshape our model to fit the scan.  In this view, he's actually already started.

 

-Jason

 

 

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Quote Simon Kohler's blog :-

 

'Of course it is not the first time that an APT has been produced. Back in 1980 Hornby produced a 5 car APT-P, which was produced both as a train set and a train pack. The launch of the model was approximately one year before the 1:1 version actually carried any passengers other than BR personnel as the train had been dogged by numerous operating problems. However, in 1984 after a great deal of development work the three APT-P trains that had been initially built entered revenue earning service. Unfortunately by then the damage to the trains reputation had been done and each of the three units over a period of time were gradually and quietly withdrawn from service.'

 

With the greatest of respect, COBBLERS!

 

A) The two APTs are very different trains and that first sentence sounds very much like sour grapes to me. And note that Rapido don't get a name check, unlike Bachmann later on.

 

 B)The launch of Hornby's APT-P was the SAME year in which the 1:1 scale version carried it first passengers, as that was on Dec 7th 1981 and I was one of them! I still have the ticket too. There may have been only 13 real fare paying passengers on that first run, but we weren't BR staff. OK, so some of us were EX-BR staff but I paid for my full price ticket with MY money. The P-Trains were taken out of service after a few days, but they were returned to service after a relatively short period during 1982, long before 1984!

 

As for Sun reporters, it was a good thing the prat didn't phone me and ask what the difference between the two tilt systems were. I'd have volunteered to show him, with the aid of a 3000 psi hydraulic hose and a shut-off valve.....

On the Hornby front I think Simon has timing off a bit. The APT- P produced by Hornby was in the 1980 catalogue (one of the best in my opinion) and the train set appeared in shops in September 1980. This was the original version with full yellow nose. The model along with that years other releases, B17,Fowler 2-6-4T,Caley Tank and Open Cab Pannier ,was announced in the January 1980 Railway Modeller , which apeared before Christmas. Thats when Hornby knew how to make announcements

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 the train set appeared in shops in September 1980. This was the original version with full yellow nose.

 

Which appeared under the Christmas tree with my name on it the following December 25th :) Still got it, minus track, box etc. But still complete with pan. I really wanted the later variant when it was released and now have a pair of spare driving car bodyshells thanks to Dagworth to fit sometime ;)

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 B)The launch of Hornby's APT-P was the SAME year in which the 1:1 scale version carried it first passengers, as that was on Dec 7th 1981 and I was one of them!

My recollection is that the up service from Glasgow ran that morning and reached Euston without apparent problems. The return trip was a 1635 (?) path. Although a junior BR manager at the time, I had to buy a public ticket to travel on the latter train. I knew there was a bit of a bend before Watford, and when the tilt did as designed and jacked the train up I felt the future had arrived. The APT ran faultlessly to Preston in about 2 hours, where my mate and I alighted, albeit after a few seconds delay getting the doors open. Sadly I think the tilt went askew somewhere in Cumbria, and the trip ended in tears. I'm not sure many other public APT trips left London.

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I managed one trip on the APT-P as a 16 year old on a Freedom of Scotland and stood on Motherwell station the APT pulled in. As Motherwell was a set down only Station for the West Coast Express trains at the time we asked the Guard if we could join which he allowed (Well done that man) and off we went to Glasgow Central not the biggest mileage but at the time we thought the trains would be around forever.... probably the same reason I didn't take more photos. Oh for a tardis....

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