RMweb Gold 5BarVT Posted January 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2019 Ah, the 16ton mineral police... close cousins to the trap point police from whom I am still awaiting a visit.Sorry for the delay, we’ve got builders in so I haven’t had time to put pen to paper! I’m taking a lead from Swansea High St which is almost a flipped image of your layout.Paul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 15, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2019 Forget the Bachmann announcement of yesterday, time to brush up on your Japanese as this new today. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 There must be a Japanese word for what seems to be a whole genre of music otherwise known as "diminutive women making a disproportionate amount of noise on guitars and drums". Google gives me ギターとドラムの若い女性 Gitā to doramu no wakai josei =Young lady with guitar and drum Nice to see the Japanese for guitar as "gita", and drum as "doramu". Not so sure about Whacky Josie, although not a bad name for a lead singer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 15, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2019 There must be a Japanese word for what seems to be a whole genre of music otherwise known as "diminutive women making a disproportionate amount of noise on guitars and drums". Google gives me ギターとドラムの若い女性 Gitā to doramu no wakai josei = Young lady with guitar and drum Nice to see the Japanese for guitar as "gita", and drum as "doramu". Not so sure about Whacky Josie, although not a bad name for a lead singer. Just simply とても良い 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Thanks for the comments, if anyone else has any thoughts please let me know. I forgot last night's song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT-_dJ8Qbt0 Since you asked, it all looks too congested to me especially once the trains are in the picture. You are able to run long trains, which look really great but to my eye they need space not confinement. The goods depot spoils it to my eye. I can't come up with any better idea, other than to suggest perhaps trying to work out a parcels depot running along side the main line similar to Paddington with a girder bridge across the whole lot. I guessing a bit because it's difficult to judge from photos, but if you are going put an overall roof on the station as well you might not get the visual benefit of the long trains, and to my mind the long trains are your trump card ( trump visual effect ). Just a personal view of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 15, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2019 Since you asked, it all looks too congested to me especially once the trains are in the picture. You are able to run long trains, which look really great but to my eye they need space not confinement. The goods depot spoils it to my eye. I can't come up with any better idea, other than to suggest perhaps trying to work out a parcels depot running along side the main line similar to Paddington with a girder bridge across the whole lot. I guessing a bit because it's difficult to judge from photos, but if you are going put an overall roof on the station as well you might not get the visual benefit of the long trains, and to my mind the long trains are your trump card ( trump visual effect ). Just a personal view of course. Hi Jazzer The plan always was to end the scenery where the two lines went their own ways. It is supposed to be in them middle of a city so I am trying to recreate that feel. I first had a similar idea to what Stu posted, but I was unsure of the bridge crossing the tail ends of the sidings so when Dan posted about Moor Street Goods, it seemed right. With the long trains which the photos cannot show is that they will appear from under the bridge and my eye will follow them down in to the station. Now you mentioned my idea of an overall roof, well last night I had second thoughts. I think there might be about 9 to 12 inches of roof over the buffer ends and then canopies along the platforms for about another four coaches long. Think Norwich Thorpe. What I need to be able to do is uncouple the locos, I am going to install some means of auto -uncoupler but there will be times when the hand Vishnu will be required so I have to get in. As I write this I am also thinking, modernish canopies, think Derby. Sheffield was bombed badly in WW2, Exchange Station lost its overall roof? Canopies hopefully will enable a better view of the long trains. My idea of just the front of the train shed modelled, I think would cut the longer trains in two. I know this appears to be a negative to your comments but keep them coming (every one please) as it makes me think of what I am doing. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted January 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2019 Hi Jazzer The plan always was to end the scenery where the two lines went their own ways. It is supposed to be in them middle of a city so I am trying to recreate that feel. I first had a similar idea to what Stu posted, but I was unsure of the bridge crossing the tail ends of the sidings so when Dan posted about Moor Street Goods, it seemed right. With the long trains which the photos cannot show is that they will appear from under the bridge and my eye will follow them down in to the station. Now you mentioned my idea of an overall roof, well last night I had second thoughts. I think there might be about 9 to 12 inches of roof over the buffer ends and then canopies along the platforms for about another four coaches long. Think Norwich Thorpe. What I need to be able to do is uncouple the locos, I am going to install some means of auto -uncoupler but there will be times when the hand Vishnu will be required so I have to get in. As I write this I am also thinking, modernish canopies, think Derby. Sheffield was bombed badly in WW2, Exchange Station lost its overall roof? Canopies hopefully will enable a better view of the long trains. My idea of just the front of the train shed modelled, I think would cut the longer trains in two. I know this appears to be a negative to your comments but keep them coming (every one please) as it makes me think of what I am doing. Could you finish the goods area off with a pictorial extension of the sidings using forced perspective? The vans on scene will be static so the perspective trick should work and hide the line behind too. For a prototype big over bridge across the platform ends and over the goods sidings - Bradford Forster Sq. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Hi Jazzer The plan always was to end the scenery where the two lines went their own ways. It is supposed to be in them middle of a city so I am trying to recreate that feel. I first had a similar idea to what Stu posted, but I was unsure of the bridge crossing the tail ends of the sidings so when Dan posted about Moor Street Goods, it seemed right. With the long trains which the photos cannot show is that they will appear from under the bridge and my eye will follow them down in to the station. Now you mentioned my idea of an overall roof, well last night I had second thoughts. I think there might be about 9 to 12 inches of roof over the buffer ends and then canopies along the platforms for about another four coaches long. Think Norwich Thorpe. What I need to be able to do is uncouple the locos, I am going to install some means of auto -uncoupler but there will be times when the hand Vishnu will be required so I have to get in. As I write this I am also thinking, modernish canopies, think Derby. Sheffield was bombed badly in WW2, Exchange Station lost its overall roof? Canopies hopefully will enable a better view of the long trains. My idea of just the front of the train shed modelled, I think would cut the longer trains in two. I know this appears to be a negative to your comments but keep them coming (every one please) as it makes me think of what I am doing. Cuttng back the overall roof might be a good idea. Years ago in one of the mags there was a brilliant model, I cant remember what it was called but who built it but it a supposed Midlands terminus in late steam/early diesel era where it was supposed that the 100 year old roof was life expired and removed , leaving the supporting walls, giving a good view of the trains. The effect was really impressive and stuck in my memory ever since. There are lots of prototype examples you could utilise. From Memory, I think Penzance has a short canopy in relation to the length of the trains and of course Cannon Street springs to mind in having its overall roof removed completely around the late 50's/early sixties. I know its a much smaller terminus but North Woolwich was bombed in WW2 and the platform canopies were blown away and never replaced giving no weather protection to the passengers but giving me a great view of the trains from the footbridge ! . So if Sheffield Exchange is running down toward closure or if the station is around 100 years old at the date modelled there is plenty of scope for reducing the overall roof or doing away with it completely so that might be the way forward. Hope this is food for thought. Being really pedantic now, but looking at your mock-ups again that slope leading form the goods shed to the bridge looks very steep to me. Think of the cab roads that used to run down to the platforms at Paddington and Liverpool St. They were fairly gentle slopes having been built in horse and cart days and poor old Dobbin would lose his footing if it were too steep. Even in the fifties and sixties you wouldn't want to be struggling up too steep a slope on a little three wheeler Scammel Scarab with a loaded trailer or even less coming down with hardly any braking ! Just my thoughts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Derek 19B Posted January 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2019 Hi Clive How about the canopy at Cleethopes, just covers the concourse,you could extend to cover the first carrage . Not a million miles from you in darkest Lincolnshire. Not sure on the goods yard, try just the rear with no visible vehicle access ,just a yard to park the trailers . Perhaps a old stable block,or remnants of. Derek 19b Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I think looking at it again and again and again that you don’t need the bridge going up. A slight gap between the goods shed and the raised wall upper level bit (think Wolverhampton low level) and just model the back of the good shed with either a traversed or small wagon turning turn table thing would do? Then fill the back with junk etc make it look in loved and very BR 60’s possibly some old war junk like the remanants of a scrapped station canopy (bomb damage) dumped where they could whilst the damaged track was repaired? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 16, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2019 or this "Did you do it before you read about it....." Not sure which one is the best for today's tune. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 16, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2019 The position of the scenic break is determined by the two starter signals. These will mark how far a loco goes along the departure lines when moving to and from its loco yard. I have placed the signals in-situ for the moment. I don't want the locos to disappear from view when doing these moves. The first plan was to have a nearly straight road going across both lines. It would look boring and not pleasing to the eye. What to do with the triangle between the lines? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 16, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2019 Next idea was to angle it, From my normal position I wanted something that went parallel with the edge of my field of vision. It also worked better than a straight road when I walked in to the train room. And when I shuffled around the buffer end of the station. Still that void It had to be something railway. That is when I thought about the tail end of a goods yard. So I experimented with a bridge going across the ends of the tracks , this didn't look right. Dan's suggestion about Moor St good shed seemed to a good idea. On mocking it up the other night it worked for me. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) It definately needs to be a reason for the lines splitting. Either: 1) geography as in some horrendously difficult to cut through rock feature or maybe a pre Victorian mill that is on an embankment? As well as being the source of the local revenue maybe it was too powerful for the line builders to overcome? 2) the goods yard. Parcel yard. Or a wagon workshop? Prototype: Birmingham Moor St Prototype: Nottingham Low Level/High Level and Nottingham Midland. The low level became a parcels/goods station Prototype: Leicester Belgrave Road Prototype: Leeds Wellington and surrounding stations 3) gasworks? Railway served but also a great view blocker Hopefully those ideas are of some use? Edited January 16, 2019 by danstercivicman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Maybe it doesn't need anything... Norwich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 16, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2019 The reason for the lines splitting is one goes off in one direction to join with the rest of the L&YR system and the other goes off to join the GNR lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 16, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2019 Maybe it doesn't need anything... Capture.JPG Norwich. Hi Doc You can see where the sidings that backed on to the Great Yarmouth line use to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Yup, Norwich still has some old sidings in the triangle. They would still have seen regular use during Clive's era, I think it was mostly engineering and other railway related traffic rather than commercial goods though. A simple couple of sidings sticking out of an additional bridge arch may work rather than the many you currently have for the shed though Clive? Puts something in the triangle and reason to add railway clutter around it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 There's a raft of new sidings surrounded by palisade fencing in the triangle at Norwich now, installation completed shortly before Christmas. To be used for stabling the new units being brought in to replace, among others, the class 37s and short coach set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Indeed it’s a great idea The reason for the lines splitting is one goes off in one direction to join with the rest of the L&YR system and the other goes off to join the GNR lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Great picture Maybe it doesn't need anything... Capture.JPG Norwich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 17, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2019 I could scrap the idea of a road bridge forming the scenic break and go for a rail bridge, complete with 1500V DC OLE.....naaa....... 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I could scrap the idea of a road bridge forming the scenic break and go for a rail bridge, complete with 1500V DC OLE.....naaa....... *25kv Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted January 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2019 How about a canal ? Or a footbridge with a few thousand Sheffield Wednesday or United supporters heading to a match ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2019 How about a canal ? Or a footbridge with a few thousand Sheffield Wednesday or United supporters heading to a match ? Central Sheffield of the period probably wouldn't have many supporters of either team in town, very area specific is the football. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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