Bachmann FFA/FGA early container flats

[Shed]

Thanks. Christmas it is then.

 

Dear Santa .......

Might be able to save up by then

[delticfan]

Lol which Christmas! They always say that.

[37114]

I am sorely tempted to get some of these, while I like others no doubt, would like to spread the costs of purchases and say by an FGA pair and then collect FFA's over the next 6 months, I am nervous after experiences of Bachmann's first MK2 release (not enough TSO's produced) that the inners will sell out. Looks like I might need to raid the savings...

[MrB]

I have placed my order at my local retailler for enough for 2 five wagon sets. The only issue I will have is the amout of 30ft Freightliner containters I will have, I mostly need 20ft ones. Any one wishes some 30ft ones let me know after they arrive, also if any one has any 20ft Freightliner containers they don't require please let me know again once they arrive.

 

Regards

 

Roy

[Satan's Goldfish]

That's an issue I have with them too. I'm going to order a 4 set (pair of outers plus 2 inners) from my local shop but I'd rather have it as 6x 20s and 4x 30s than the 3x 20 and 6x 30 that I'll end up with. I need to look closer at the details of the wagons but I'm tempted to order the inners with modern containers rather than freightliner as they're all going to get mixed in with everything else anyway.

[37114]

The problem with buying the inner's with the non Freightliner boxes is they are from a very different era, ironically the later outer wagons containers (boxes as they are known in the trade) are better suited to swapping, the Bell liveried ones suit quite a wide time frame.

[Satan's Goldfish]

The problem with buying the inner's with the non Freightliner boxes is they are from a very different era, ironically the later outer wagons containers (boxes as they are known in the trade) are better suited to swapping, the Bell liveried ones suit quite a wide time frame.

Usefully (for me anyway) I have a very wide era of containers already and a bit of a Maersk fetish if that's what the inners will definitely end up with. I need to see what quantity of 8ft high boxes mixed with ribbed and corrugated boxes as time progressed, I've seen the odd picture with an obviously slightly lower height container part way along a train.

[bescotbeast]

well the old credit card has taken another bashing, ordered an outer set and 3 inners to make a five wagon set for Pendeford Yard.

[Benjamin Brady]

Must be something about ordering FFA/FGA's this morning as I have just ordered enough to make one 5 wagon set up

[bescotbeast]

I'd order more but at over £200 for 5 wagons I can't justify more debt on the card.

[wombatofludham]

I'd order more but at over £200 for 5 wagons I can't justify more debt on the card.

 

"May contain traces of Mr Barnes' nuts..."

[37114]

I did some research last night and it looks like for my era (1977) that most of the containers would definitely be the freightliner branded types so I have just ordered up a 5 wagon set (part funded by cancelling my pre order for a Dapol class 121) and will probably order another end pair nearer the time for a future layout.

 

From looking at some pictures it does seem that 20ft's would be a lot more prevalent than 30ft's even then so will need to do acquire some extra boxes. When I started in container transport in 1997 the only 30ft's were specialist bulk tipping containers eg with IFF. Ironically on my first day a 30ft general purpose box was delivered to the yard and my colleague mentioned it was the first one he could recall us having for over a year.

[royaloak]

I'd order more but at over £200 for 5 wagons I can't justify more debt on the card.

When that card is full just get a new one.

Its the modern way.

[Phil Bullock]

Ideally 2 x 5 sets for 4S87 and 4S88 on Abbotswood but think that will be too long.....so might have to lose an inner

 

Better be good to convince Santa this year!

 

Phil

[Satan's Goldfish]

Ideally 2 x 5 sets for 4S87 and 4S88 on Abbotswood but think that will be too long.....so might have to lose an inner

 

Better be good to convince Santa this year!

 

Phil

Somewhere hiding on YouTube is a video with a 5 and 4 set coupled together so not beyond the realms of reality (There's also FSAs and FTAs making up the rest of the train but we'll ignore that!)

[Satan's Goldfish]

4 and 5 sets make up the end of train that appears at 3:30 in this video;

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yY-ohrmfaSo

 

The change from FSA/FTA to FFA/FGA is easy to spot.

[dogbox321]

Ideally 2 x 5 sets for 4S87 and 4S88 on Abbotswood but think that will be too long.....so might have to lose an inner

 

Better be good to convince Santa this year!

 

Phil

 

Or you could loose a kidney to pay for the extra wagon!

[PenrithBeacon]

On page 37 of 'Railway Herald' issue 554 there is a nice photo of an 08 hauling a rake of five freightliner wagons and a brake van at Ipswich on 11/4/81. Can anyone tell me if the wagons are FFA/FGA, please as the ensemble would make a good model.

 

Regards

[87023Velocity]

On page 37 of 'Railway Herald' issue 554 there is a nice photo of an 08 hauling a rake of five freightliner wagons and a brake van at Ipswich on 11/4/81. Can anyone tell me if the wagons are FFA/FGA, please as the ensemble would make a good model.

 

Regards

I would have thought so, don't think there were any other type in widespread use at the time - I could be wrong though! Here is a picture of an 08 with a FFA/FGA rake in 1981 at Ipswich.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/86020500@N06/7995613632/in/photolist-dbxBns-dbxsPi-dxsJD5-7MFSrv-DaDmT4-z9HyZC-BfpFfU

 

Another shot of the same loco, someone had ideas for the future with the Freightliner logos on the 08!

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/28178727@N08/4455161975/in/photolist-dbxBns-dbxsPi-dxsJD5-7MFSrv-DaDmT4-z9HyZC-BfpFfU

 

 

Cheers

 

Simon

[dogbox321]

On page 37 of 'Railway Herald' issue 554 there is a nice photo of an 08 hauling a rake of five freightliner wagons and a brake van at Ipswich on 11/4/81. Can anyone tell me if the wagons are FFA/FGA, please as the ensemble would make a good model.

 

Regards

 

Hi - did it say what the trip was for in the comments?  Possibly a trip to Ipswich Wagon Repair Depot?  

[PenrithBeacon]

Hi - did it say what the trip was for in the comments? Possibly a trip to Ipswich Wagon Repair Depot?

No, sorry, there were no additional comments. The container flats were fully loaded, so I don't know whether that might offer a clue.

 

Regards

[giz]

Hi - did it say what the trip was for in the comments?  Possibly a trip to Ipswich Wagon Repair Depot?  

As the flats were loaded, my guess would be a trip through Ipswich Tunnel to the West Bank Terminal. At that time I was working on the construction of the Orwell Bridge and every day there were small container vessels arriving at the docks from Europe.

[bescotbeast]

4 and 5 sets make up the end of train that appears at 3:30 in this video;

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yY-ohrmfaSo

 

The change from FSA/FTA to FFA/FGA is easy to spot.

Thanks for sharing that Satan, this will come in useful when I finally get some flats.

[Fat Controller]

As the flats were loaded, my guess would be a trip through Ipswich Tunnel to the West Bank Terminal. At that time I was working on the construction of the Orwell Bridge and every day there were small container vessels arriving at the docks from Europe.

Agreed. At the time, there was a terminal called 'Griffin Wharf' on the western banks of the Orwell; there is an account of a working from there in 'Life and Times- Freightliner'. The wagon works was next to it. A relatively recent 'Quail' map suggests the track may still be there, running from a junction with the main line at Halifax Junction, on the London side of Ipswich Tunnel. There was a second terminal on the docks line from there to Ipswich Lower Yard, but that line is shown as having been severed.

[giz]

Agreed. At the time, there was a terminal called 'Griffin Wharf' on the western banks of the Orwell; there is an account of a working from there in 'Life and Times- Freightliner'. The wagon works was next to it. A relatively recent 'Quail' map suggests the track may still be there, running from a junction with the main line at Halifax Junction, on the London side of Ipswich Tunnel. There was a second terminal on the docks line from there to Ipswich Lower Yard, but that line is shown as having been severed.

Thinking back, I can remember seeing container trains crossing the bridge over Wherstead Road but can't recall what was hauling them.