RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 22, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 22, 2014 Decided to Google 1366 pannier tank, and found this little gem http://www.ooobopshibam.webspace.virginmedia.com/railways/docktank.htm Feel better now? Simon Yes, I've seen that review before. I feel some the expectations and methods used are 'interesting' particularly the approach to rivets.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 mmm, he does claim to be an aeromodeller, so perhaps snap heads ain't his thing. I think they tend to use flush heads, at least on the outside! but expecting the parts to fit? like you said, "silly boy" S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 yep, he's an aeromodeller - he appears to have been flying competitive models since before I was born... and I've got grey hair! his site is worth a browse. best Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 22, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 22, 2014 No progress this evening, I've not long finished work. Joy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 23, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2014 Mike's CD of photos arrived this morning. Loads of fantastic shots not only of the cab interior but also the bunker area and other details. Great stuff. The only problem is that now I know what should be there I have to include it. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 23, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2014 No doubt Mike will be watching carefully and provide comment when you fall short of the standards we all expect of you !! I expect no less! Stops me getting lazy and taking short cuts that I'll later regret. Out of interest would anyone care to guess the diameter of the circular recess for the handbrake? 12-15"?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 23, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2014 The Pannier Papers book has been mentioned in a post above. Cracking book but almost all of the shots are of the front and sides. One partial of the bunker rear. A great shot of the front and tank tops from the front but nothing similar of the bunker. To be expected really - what sort of weirdo would be interested in bunkers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Gringo Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 (Edit: In reply to post 697, but for some reason it didn't carry over) But Chris, you gotta get with the vibe! Don't ya know currently "it's all about the base" . . . and Megan says you gotta have "all the right junk in all the right places". "Boys like a little more booty, you know" and some guys seem to like bunkers too! I must watch my diet!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 23, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2014 (Edit: In reply to post 697, but for some reason it didn't carry over) But Chris, you gotta get with the vibe! Don't ya know currently "it's all about the base" . . . and Megan says you gotta have "all the right junk in all the right places". "Boys like a little more booty, you know" and some guys seem to like bunkers too! I must watch my diet!!! You've been listening to young people's radio again haven't you John? I hope you kept the volume down, don't want complaints from the neighbours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted September 23, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2014 You've been listening to young people's radio again haven't you John? I hope you kept the volume down, don't want complaints from the neighbours. Nothing wrong with a bit of Radio 2 Chris. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mudmagnet Posted September 23, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2014 I expect no less! Stops me getting lazy and taking short cuts that I'll later regret. Out of interest would anyone care to guess the diameter of the circular recess for the handbrake? 12-15"?? Could be Radius 6" or 7 1/2" times two ??? HTH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I think it would be nearer 2 feet diameter, maybe even a bit bigger, but centred on the actual brake spindle. There must be drawings of the brake handle in GWRJ or other similar publications, and there must be room for the fireman's hands as well. I imagine banging your knuckles on a bit of cold steel first thing in the morning is not likely to brighten your day, particularly if you have to shovel coal for the rest of the shift. best Simon 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 23, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2014 Nothing wrong with a bit of Radio 2 Chris. Indeed. But it's Radio 1 we catch him listening to - usually windows down, cap sideways and full volume... (and people think I'm joking) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 23, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2014 I've had chance tonight to look at all the images Mike has sent me on the laptop. Lots of details to think about and a few more things spotted that aren't quite right with the kit as it stands. I have an action plan however... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 23, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2014 I've also come across this: 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 The box behind the upper lamp bracket looks to be a preservation modification to. Probably to protect the lamp bracket when the loco is coaled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 The box behind the upper lamp bracket looks to be a preservation modification to. Probably to protect the lamp bracket when the loco is coaled. The box behind the lamo is for the rotation of the handbrake. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Yes, it's a trick of the light / perspective thing - it is the drum for the handbrake. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev_Lewis Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Yes, it's a trick of the light / perspective thing - it is the drum for the handbrake. Simon Oh, so it is! Must look properly in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 24, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 24, 2014 Typical that the lamp hides what I'm interested in! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) well, it does, but you can still get some useful info from it; the nearer edge of the drum is about one third to half of the width of one of the doors in the backsheet, and the farther edge is under the third or fourth window bar from the left. If you can measure the distance between these points on your model - and work out how far they are from the spindle of the brake standard, you have three points - one of them is the centre of the circle, and the other two should be on the outside of it. You have therefore enough info to make the drum radius. Humans being humans, there is a pretty good chance that the drum size will be a sensible "whole number" of inches, or fractions of a foot. You can also see that there is a rivetted flange around the drum - you'll have to estimate the width of that, but it gives you a position for the top of the drum. The bottom of the drum will not be below the "shelf" on the inside where you had your sandbox lids until recently, in fact it is probably higher by the width of that rivetted flange plus a midge's, but actually it doesn't matter because nobody is going to be inside the bunker looking up! (I don't care how dilgent a rivet counter 'ee is, 'ee can't see both sides of the loco at once!) And the verification - would the handle turn inside the drum without skinning the fireman's knuckles? If you want better detail, I fear you'll have to either get your tape measure out and follow Mike to Chinnor (?), or try to find the works drawings, hopefully at York. I guess it depends on where you, personally, draw the line between "accurate model" and "visibly representational". On which note, I'm interested to see how deep and lustrous the green paint is, and how "white" the black is. I feel a bout of weathering coming on... S Edited September 24, 2014 by Simond Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 24, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 24, 2014 Take care with the handbrake position on the model and first compare with the photo (which is not very good I'm afraid) as I'm not entirely sure if the model position coincides with the real one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 24, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 24, 2014 Take care with the handbrake position on the model and first compare with the photo (which is not very good I'm afraid) as I'm not entirely sure if the model position coincides with the real one. No it's in the wrong place Mike. I'm starting again from scratch and will be working of the drawings (with the instructions cast far to one side) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted September 24, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 24, 2014 If it's covered with coal, will anyone actually see it ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 24, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 24, 2014 If it's covered with coal, will anyone actually see it ? I'll be purposely modelling the bunker half full like in the photo above Stu. Makes a change to the typical bunker always full on 4mm RTR stuff. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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