Down_Under Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Hi All, I have recently started to get back into the hobby after a break of 15 years or so. I have decided that I would like to model some of the ironstone railways of the midlands. I have some fond memories of stumbing over the remnents of the Oxfordshire Ironstone Railways as a small child. I also have memories of watching short documentary on the ironstone railways (BBC "Lines of Industry" - Trains Now Departing). To cut a long story short, I now live in Australia (working in the mining industry) and stumbled across this doco on BBC i player ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p011v86f/the-train-now-departing-5-lines-of-industry). With much footage of "SCALDWELL", and discoverying that she made it into preservation I thought it would make a good prototype to model. I have done as much research as I can online - I have acquired several books by Eric Tonks on the ironstone railways and had a look at all the bits I might need (boy have things changed since I was about 15!). My plan was to attempt to build to 4mm scale a 3ft Ironstone railway. My basic outline was this: SCALDWELL 2'9" driving wheels 10 x 14" Cylinders This is all I know. I have contacted Amberly Steam Museum - but I have heard nothing yet back on some basic dimensions (width between frames, width, length etc). At the moment I have been "guesstimating" based upon sleeper sizes and people in video and photos. I plan to kit bash the saddle tank of a Dapol pug, and pretty much scratch build the rest. I can get wheels from Alan Gibson, and cut down some axles to suit. Valve gear - I am a little stuck, probably at this stage end up modify some Alan gibson or Markits generic double slide cross heads. 3ft Gauge track I have had a look at the 3mm society web page and see that I can get code 60 bullhead rail and sleepers, and chairs. This seems like a good place to start for scale track. So I guess, as a newbie, any help or information that people might have would be much appreciated. I will post up some of the drawings I make as I do them. James As a starting point, what thickness brass would one build a chassis out off? J 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted July 13, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 13, 2014 When I was scratch building locomotive chassis many moons ago (far more than I care to count or admit) I used to use 1/8" brass so, to bring it up to date, that would be 3mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGH Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) There was an article in the February 1966 Model Railway News magazine on ironstone railways which included 7mm scale drawings of LAMPORT (sister engine to SCALDWELL) and a Scaldwell Quarry tip wagon. The Industrial Railway Society's RECORD magazine issue No.13 also included a drawing of a Scaldwell wagon which is available online - Go to http://www.irsociety.co.uk - I.R.Record Achives - Index of Back Issues - No.13 March 1967 If you send me your Email address in a PM I could scan the loco drawing and send it as an Email attachment. Obviously for copyright reasons I can't post it here. The RECORD drawing available online is the better of the two wagon drawings as it shows both the tip and non-tip sides of the wagon. This article in the RECORD should also be useful - http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/60/Ironstone.htm I hope this helps. Edited July 13, 2014 by PGH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
omega333 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I know it may sound a bit obvious but have you asked the same question on NGRM online? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 Many thanks to PGH for the info on the loco drawings. omega - I have not. Thanks for the heads up. I had not realised that there was a NGRm forum (still feeling my way about). Will post up pictures etc as I build up the model - possibly MIT migrate it into the scratch building section. James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted December 31, 2016 Author Share Posted December 31, 2016 Well, this is good news! http://www.steamrailway.co.uk/steamnews/2016/11/17/southwolds-first-steam-loco Looks like Scadwell has a home and plans for restoration. The locomotive that captured my imagination in Industrial Railways thanks to "the train now departing series" and Ivo Peters photos and clips. Going to Southwold Railway - I have many a fond memory of walking the old Southwold railway, catching the ferry (rowed by a man) across the river from Walberswick to Southwold, running through and playing in th old WW2 "dragons teeth'" and pillboxes. I've made my donation - I hope it all works out. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted December 31, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 31, 2016 Good to see the plan for Scaldwell's restoration. It was in working order [steamed once] when it went to Brockham Museum, the predecessor to Amberley! Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 theres a series of articles in the NG&IRM magazine last year (2016) about ironstone narrow gauge, i got one of the issues for drawings of the Kettering manning wardle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 theres a series of articles in the NG&IRM magazine last year (2016) about ironstone narrow gauge, i got one of the issues for drawings of the Kettering manning wardle care to elaborate which issues? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 ironstone narrow gauge by Dan Quine issue 105 - part 1, Waltham 106 - part 2, kettering furnaces 108 - part 3, wellingborough part 4 isnt in the latest one (issue 109) so i guess it'll be in 110 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 ironstone narrow gauge by Dan Quine issue 105 - part 1, Waltham 106 - part 2, kettering furnaces 108 - part 3, wellingborough part 4 isnt in the latest one (issue 109) so i guess it'll be in 110 Thanks for that. The index to the review series is not particularly helpfully organised when trying to find what's in a specific issue, and bits and pieces have appeared on the Ironstone railways over a number of years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenser Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 If you are modelling 12mm gauge, an obvious resource is the Peco HOm track range . Small but potentially very useful and should look reasonable for 4mm narrow gauge. Then you only have to worry about chassis building - point building becomes a "nice to have" rather than a deal-breaker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwernol Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 ironstone narrow gauge by Dan Quine issue 105 - part 1, Waltham 106 - part 2, kettering furnaces 108 - part 3, wellingborough part 4 isnt in the latest one (issue 109) so i guess it'll be in 110 Hi, I'm finishing up the Scaldwell article now, and hope it will indeed appear in issue 110. Dan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hando Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Good to see the plan for Scaldwell's restoration. It was in working order [steamed once] when it went to Brockham Museum, the predecessor to Amberley! Dava Have you Heard of Lord Granby? www.lordgranbyrail.org.uk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted June 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 29, 2017 Have you Heard of Lord Granby? www.lordgranbyrail.org.uk Good question, I remember Lord Granby in storage for years at Leeds Armely Industrial Museum, never restored. Easily confused [by me anyway] with the rather similar Handyman which is being restored at the NRM. I didn't realize Lord Granby was being restored not far away from here so I'd be interested to visit, see it and contribute. It doesn't look from the website that working order is likely but a display on the ironstone mines in the Eastwell area would be good as I've enjoyed the photos in 'Bylines'and such on that system. Link to interesting IRS article here http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/60/Ironstone.htm Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted October 14, 2017 Author Share Posted October 14, 2017 Are there any plans out there for Lord Granby/Handyman? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted October 14, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) There is a link to Lord Granby in #14 above, Handyman is below, there is RmWeb thread below also http://www.nrm.org.uk/~/media/files/nrm/pdf/archiveslists/tech-files/2008-7985-handyman.pdf http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/123870-mystery-stripped-down-loco-at-the-nrm/&do=findComment&comment=2760730 Dava Edited October 14, 2017 by Dava 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted October 15, 2017 Author Share Posted October 15, 2017 Thanks Dava Also a thread here" https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/3-foot-gauge-hudswell-clarke-handy-man.57232/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hando Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Handyman looks like a bit of a dead duck right now... There are still updates on the eastwell heritage group's Facebook pace, but it is likely Lord Granby will become an exhibition piece for now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hando Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Thanks Dava Also a thread here" https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/3-foot-gauge-hudswell-clarke-handy-man.57232/ I'm not sure of the idea of overseas preservation. As one person in this forum said. Anyway, Nancy (also from Eastwell) is under preservation on the Cavan and Leitrim Railway in Eire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 there was a bit of hype about Nancy a few months ago when a restoration group was started online and they were advertising it and raising interest and funds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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