B15nac Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Not sure if I'm starting something that I shouldn't but thought I would share it for people not on Facebook. there is a picture uploaded on Facebook by the Hornby official page that shows a cad photo that looks like a bogie for a GWR king. They have said can you guess what it is. They have not said either way as of yet Cheers Neil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Two Kings! This could be war! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium EEType4 Posted September 2, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 2, 2014 Yes you are absolutely right, the cad image does look like a king bogie, correct number of bolts in the correct position. So is this a spoiler for the Hattons loco? Take a look and judge for yourselves. https://www.facebook.com/officialhornby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) It was a year of fire..... A year of steam..... A year western dreams... A year where everything wonderful was duplicated..... I have heard that God moves in mysterious ways, but god's wonderful? Edited September 2, 2014 by JSpencer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunny Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 If it is I hope it is full spec and not a railroad/special edition such as P2 and DoG. The Castle and Grange show what a great job Hornby can do with GWR models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Interesting. Perhaps this thread should be folded into the existing Hornby King speculation thread: "Hornby GWR King - what would it take?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Somebody else to announce one apparently!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) Yes you are absolutely right, the cad image does look like a king bogie, correct number of bolts in the correct position. So is this a spoiler for the Hattons loco? Take a look and judge for yourselves. https://www.facebook.com/officialhornby I was going to say 'really? Which bit of the king bogie? But it appears to be whatever gubbins sits at the centre of the bogie sideframe. This could be interesting. However given Hornby's present form, and DJM's track record, my money is erring towards DJM, where i know I will get bearings, and minimal moulded detail. Also if the CAD is what I think it is, the shape of the spigot slightly wrong - the flange that appears to come off the main casting is too pronounced, certainly when compared to pics of KE1. This said, if the King is up to Castle quality, there could be a race on. However if Hornby were seriously produceing a King, would it not have been announced in Jan with the rest? Had it been announced, Hattons would have been less likely to go ahead... Hornby's delay has likely eroded their market share. Is this our fault for criticising Hornby (and Bachmann's) long lead time, leading to a temptation to 'announce when ready' e.g. 2-BIL. Oops. Edited September 3, 2014 by G-BOAF 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Could have 3 kings for christmas then!! Which Christmas would that be I wonder? As we've mused before, they always follow the Star. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 If it is I hope it is full spec and not a railroad/special edition such as P2 and DoG. The Castle and Grange show what a great job Hornby can do with GWR models. I won,t even begin to speculate odds on this one. It could be P2 standard, it could be Castle standard with the current model going to railroad. Well, it seems they have a CAD drawing for one part and maybe we will see the EP just before Christmas for next years program. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted September 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2014 Wellits the year 5775 by Jewish tradtion, so it must be the Year of The Pannier That's a thought. They don't have a decent one in their range ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Could have 3 kings for christmas then!! We 3 kings from orient are. We are gifts we've traveled so far. Field and fountain Track and siding following after the Star.... all together now...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted September 2, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 2, 2014 Dear me, talk about buses!! If Hornby are doing a new King and are dropping a spoiler folling the DJM/Hattons announcement then it is great news for GWR fans. If Hornby know that DJM are going out to make a model with the wow factor then somehow I don't think Hornby will do this to Railroad standards, especially when their existing King is more than good enough to sell as a Railroad model at a discount. Given the track record of DJ at Dapol (Western, NBL Type 2, Beattie well tank etc) I also believe the DJM/Hattons model will be a cracking model. This could be very interesting, and if it is true (and given we have already seen Heljan and DJM both announce a competing release, the LMS diesels from Bachmann and Dapol/Hattons etc it seems a fairly common occurence to get duplicate releases) then the real winner will be GWR enthusiasts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cary hill Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Never mind a duplicate King, I wish they would attend to their Large Prairie and 14xx, as they've never really made their own just re-worked the old Airfix versions to death. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted September 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) Never mind a duplicate King, I wish they would attend to their Large Prairie and 14xx, as they've never really made their own just re-worked the old Airfix versions to death. I'd rather Hornby started with a blank piece of paper if they are going to do the 41xx/51xx/61xx. That Airfix model was released when I was still at school. Edited September 2, 2014 by gwrrob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoholic Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I think there were some people at a museum in Swindon who were rather hoping that Hornby would produce a new King model, for when Lode Star is sold out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cary hill Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) I'd rather Hornby started with a blank piece of paper if they are going to do the 41xx/51xx/61xx. That Airfix model was released when I was still at school. I'm not disagreeing. I think my original Airfix one had solid pony wheels and had no grasp whatsoever of the concept of slow running. Edited September 2, 2014 by cary hill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 We 3 kings from orient are. We are gifts we've traveled so far. Field and fountain Track and siding following after the Star.... all together now...... Should start : we 3 kings from China are...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted September 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2014 Question......exactly WHEN was this CAD scanned ? Is this current,ongoing.....or archive....perhaps activated in response to the Hattons/DJM announcement ? Hornby must surely be aware of Steam 's interest in the production of a new King to replace the current model,having already produced a Castle and a Star for them.....always assuming that this IS what members think it is and not a red herring. The announcement yesterday may thus have forced them to declare their hand early.If so,it proves they're not asleep,which is encouraging in a backhanded sort of way.Just hope it doesn't backfire.Is duplication in the present climate necessarily a good thing for manufacturers and retailers? Maybe we're about to find out.I hope it will not be a case of "Last man standing". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted September 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2014 If Hornby really are going to make a King to Castle\Star standards it is hard to see how they will be able to bring it to market for less than the Hattons pre order price for the DM version. Hornby may however be significantly further down the development path - maybe this was the planned new release for the 2015 catalogue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcadian Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 My Aug/Sept 'Hornby Collector' (yes, I'll apologize now!) arrived yesterday. Pages 12 & 13 carry an article on the Hornby models of some preserved Kings, Castles and a Star. Their latest King is R3102, 6023 King Ed II, released in 2012. There is no mention in the mag of any imminent planned release of another King. However, the larger-than-life front cover picture is of the blue 6023 with a very visible 32A shedplate . Do I correctly recall a fairly recent release of an Eastern Region loco with an 81A plate - if so, it seems that finely detailed models can produce their own sets of problems on the production line! Someone should have gone to S------vers! . I suppose we'll just have to wait and see! Long live the King! Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGV Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 When I purchased Lode Star from STEAM back in December I asked what their next model was going to be. I was told they were hoping for it to be King George V to commemorate the return of 6000 to Swindon in 2015. They were insisting on all-new tooling, and "just" had to decide the livery. With the CAD drawing it appears that progress is definitely being made, and perhaps Hornby have several months lead over DJM/Hattons. Anyway, I am hoping for a couple of cracking models. You can't have too many Kings on a layout 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold kingmender Posted September 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2014 If the image was expanded to the right I'd expect to see a brass castellated nut with split pin through it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 2, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2014 If it is for a 'King' (and it doesn't look quite right to me but then it also doesn't match any pictures I can find of the buffers on a D16/3, a J15, or a 700) then I think the answer might well, or might not, become apparent on 13th September in a well known town in Wiltshire when a certain museum announces its next model co-operation with Hornby. Actually the vertical rivets do look right so it could well be for a piece of co-operation which I heard about at Steam sometime back , their having done the other two GWR 4 cylinder 4-6-0s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovex Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Hi I can't get access to Facebook at work - Have Hornby revealed what the CAD drawing was from? Dean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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