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while on the enthusiasm for wagons, i went back to the 2 G&SWR's, i always knew that the end door hinges werent right but didnt know what they should be as well, but yesterday came across a protoype photo by chance, its on the front cover of a HMRS journal from 1997

https://hmrs.org.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/j/o/journal_1601_image.jpg

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Also in the photo are the missing end door catches but im working on the hinges for now, to begin with a look at what i originally put on for the hinges. the ends of the hinges bars  are attched on the outside ironwork but now should be ionside and the hinges themselves are just curve strips going around the bar

37472134551_63a9f0076f_b.jpgG&SWR (8) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the other wagon with it all cut off

23620360468_e503384c47_b.jpgG&SWR (7) by Sam, on Flickr

 

soldering up new hinges out of brass on the re used brass wire, the 3 brass strips folded into a P shape and clipped onto a piece of ply with pen markings to site them apart from each other at the correct distance and the wire was fed through and soldered together, to the left are the parts for the second hinge assembly

37472138851_a5098c30d9_b.jpgG&SWR (10) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the assembly was is superglued into the inside of the door and the small end pieces with holes driiled in are fed onto the wire, superglued onto the inside of the side and soldered onto the wire, lastly the excess wire is cut and filed

37214655900_bd28485638_b.jpgG&SWR (11) by Sam, on Flickr

 

just got to do the same for the other wagon

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the new hinges above were painted over with a matt black yesterday

 

Back to the Petrol

a bit of a big jump in progress all of a sudden as i got a lot done yesterday, the ends were cut and glued on, the cab end and bonnet top are single piece bent and glued in stages, a skirting under the footplate and 2 sand pots on opposite corners

37535942812_f9a8a4abf8_b.jpgKnowles (48) by Sam, on Flickr

 

after 2 layers of the "buff" cream, shown here sat on a block

37535945102_c49c6d7c09_b.jpgKnowles (49) by Sam, on Flickr

 

it was temporarily sat on the chassis for the photo, it still needs another coat or 2 of cream and then the outside strip of running board needs going over with black, i will also be having a go at replicating the lining on the photo but not the lettering  

36898235573_bed3a651c2_b.jpgKnowles (50) by Sam, on Flickr

 

last week the name plates were ordered from Narrow Planet and im just waiting for them to go into the next etching batch, I'll reveal which name is chosen after they arrive, in the order is also the chosen name for the /manning Wardle, MW works plats for it and Kerr Stuart works plates for Thunderchild

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to finish off the G&SWR wagons, they are repainted to G&SW on one side but keep HLR on the other, a stncil was drawn and cut based on the photo to copy the lettering size and font best i can

37597175591_66bed01480_b.jpgG&SWR (12) by Sam, on Flickr

 

and trying to get the same the camera angle as the prototype photo

37548328786_e2e3f88c12_b.jpgG&SWR (13) by Sam, on Flickr

 

The base cream colour done now on the Knowles and the lining has been marked up in pencil

37597180661_6be92a67be_b.jpgKnowles (52) by Sam, on Flickr

 

Again trying to copy the camera angle of the prototype photo

36927071683_90b0471a0e_b.jpgKnowles (51) by Sam, on Flickr

 

Elsewhere, a few more styrene bolt heads were superglued onto my second timber wagon after not working on it for ages

37548327126_070db4ed68_b.jpgwagon 4 (6) by Sam, on Flickr

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Elsewhere, a few more styrene bolt heads were superglued onto my second timber wagon after not working on it for ages

37548327126_070db4ed68_b.jpgwagon 4 (6) by Sam, on Flickr

It's made of wood! :mosking:

 

Sorry my friend I just had to say it. Looking good this is how I plan to make my G scale models Rolling stock wise when I get the space. Just Wood, metal, and glue. Locomotives will be a mix of plastic, metal, and wood most likely. Hmm Anyone know a cheap source of ABS plastic you can cut into sheets?

 

Testors plastic glue works best with ABS after all. It's why I keep my Legos far away from the stuff. :sarcastichand: I am not a Kragle supporter. ;)

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had a running session with the Knowles Last night at the club, it runs well now after filling it with lead compared to last week when i tried running it but forgot the strips of lead to put on top, it hardly ran at all. this morning I decided to line it with black, i dont claim to have lined it all as well as it looks like, most of it went well, but some areas needed cleaning up with the cream

36943070043_4bb2934f14_b.jpgKnowles (55) by Sam, on Flickr

36943067953_f2259652ac_b.jpgKnowles (54) by Sam, on Flickr

36943066213_464495001c_b.jpgKnowles (53) by Sam, on Flickr

 

While ive got the enthusiasm for careful painting, i continued with another wagon, this one is a whitemetal GWR bought secondhand when i was at Ally Pally with Green Ayre, all i had don to it colour wise was a base coat of brown (the same as what used to be on Rebecca) but only now have i got round to going over with the black. A private owner stencil has been drawn for it but not yet cut out

 

before

36943062013_4e39f1f532_b.jpgwagon 3 (5) by Sam, on Flickr

 

After

36943064173_38c19c2d75_b.jpgwagon 3 (6) by Sam, on Flickr

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what does "Kragle" mean?

Kragle is what they called Krazy Glue in The Lego Movie. The tube they found in the Lego World was scrunched up and scratched so the only letters visable were K R A G L E so Kragle. To Lego lovers it has come to mean those who permanently fix Legos together which even Krazy Glue isn't permanent testors plastic glue is on ABS plastic since it melts the two parts it's applied to and bonds them.

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the livery on the brown wagon has only been painted on one side at the moment

36982117993_ecc22c4c0b_b.jpgwagon 3 (7) by Sam, on Flickr

 

it refers to George Green, The Pinder of Wakefield also known as the Jolly Pinder, a character in the Robin Hood story

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jolly_Pinder_of_Wakefield

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after a few little distractions like a micro layout, a midland 3P and starting a O16.5 2-8-4 tank, i got back to work on the Knowles and started the engine

 

two blocks were made up out of 3 x 6 mm styrene and a strip of brass was bent to sit over the motor with a small gap inbetween

37533335630_9b32088b8b_b.jpgKnowles (56) by Sam, on Flickr

 

Also made, painted and fitted a brake column

37791547681_ec58780a86_b.jpgKnowles (57) by Sam, on Flickr

 

one end of each was filed square and top pieces were glued on, after drying, the curves to match the brass were cut and filed, the corners of the block were rounded off and they were superglued onto the brass, note how they are slightly off centre to the left, this is on purpose to allow space for the radiator on the right

37082086134_acb71f99c2_b.jpgknowles (59) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the engine sat approx in position

37533339140_80b33048c8_b.jpgknowles (58) by Sam, on Flickr

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ive been wanting a cattle wagon of for while but never got around to building one further than a bare rolling chassis, but now ive got one second hand from the collection of the late Dave Hewitt of Unit models

 

its a Three Aitch painted up as Great Central, but its not a GC. i have heard that Aitch commonly did generic ficticous wagons rather than prototypes online sources show it as LT&SR, its not just painted as LT&SR but you can it shown as such on the packaging, so it looks like im going to be re painting it to LT&SR

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/three-aitch-mouldings-gauge-7mm-scale-245934786

https://picclick.co.uk/Three-Aitch-Mouldings-O-Gauge-Cattle-Wagon-kit-253007606033.html

 

a David Smith model of a LT&SR cattle in MR ownership

https://www.davidlosmith.co.uk/Gauge0Fine.htm

ExLTSR_cattle-s.jpg

 

ive had look in the Essery midland wagon book and it does indeed look just like a LT&SR

 

my only problem with it is the course wheels which is easily fixed

 

its been re-wheeled and is being weighted

38103248196_dca12843d0_b.jpgwagon GC cattle by Sam, on Flickr

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Continuing with the LT&SR cattle wagon, after looking it up in the book i noticed a few details that needed changing

 

First up is the solebar, on the left was an oversized label clip which also it shouldnt have in that position, then the curved ironwork for the W irons arent curved enough such as the standard C shape, 2 large bolt heads that should be a rectangular plate with 2 small bolt heads on

38140138206_c8bb002fd2_b.jpgwagon cattle 2 (4) by Sam, on Flickr

 

and with those parts cut off

38164233672_b7bb71145e_b.jpgwagon cattle 2 (3) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the new C shaped iron work cut out of styrene, glued on. Also the addition of brass wire for the bars across the openings

24343611098_83ffc85966_b.jpgwagon cattle 2 (9) by Sam, on Flickr

 

next are the ends, the inner uprights have iron L section on them to remove, outer verticals need extending over the headstocks (bufferbeams) and all 4 of the verticals need additional thickness to the bottom tapering towards the top

 

An untouched end, mysterious ironwork on the inners and the outers dont go over the headstocks

38140140056_cd05fb82c2_b.jpgwagon cattle 2 (5) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the tapered styrene added to the outers and the ironwork being cut back

38140141566_2c0c69ebf0_b.jpgwagon cattle 2 (6) by Sam, on Flickr

 

All 4 verticals with the additions

24343608318_859917f1a0_b.jpgwagon cattle 2 (8) by Sam, on Flickr

 

Bolt heads being glued on and filling in various slots and gaps with milliput, the kit gave generous gaps between parts such as on the inner verticals on the end, they are 2mm wide and the slots are 3.5mm

24343615248_8003f840de_b.jpgwagon cattle 2 (11) by Sam, on Flickr

 

After the first coat of grey i remembered 2 more things to add, the bootom corner of ironwork either side of the door and a chmfered block inbetween the bottom hinges

26419414849_e621ca9363_b.jpgwagon cattle 2 (12) by Sam, on Flickr

 

After the second coat

24343621018_5bb44bbc29_b.jpgwagon cattle 2 (13) by Sam, on Flickr

 

The brake levers dont match the photo either so new ones cut out of 1.5mm black styrene

38140148096_29bd11eeb9_b.jpgwagon cattle 2 (10) by Sam, on Flickr

 

since my layout is in the 1950's the final appearnace will have to be in very tatty LMS similar to the Van i did not long ago, a quick look in a book tomorrow will tell me what their LMS numbers were

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A third coat was applied then the ironwork was picked out in black and the Brake levers stuck on, all that is left to do is add the lever racks

38181201562_6374ec8683_b.jpgwagon cattle 2 (14) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the photo im working from in Midland wagons volume 2 by Essary

38213344551_e9b3344f42_b.jpgwagon cattle 2 (16) LT&SR by Sam, on Flickr

 

a comparison shot at about the same angle

38181202632_4f2f91ffa6_b.jpgwagon cattle 2 (15) by Sam, on Flickr

 

The second timber wagon will be a runner for the show even if its not finished as the hooks have been fitted and lead stuck underneath, i could always blag that its unfinshed on purpose to show that its made out of real wood not metal or plastic

38181204662_8327d6b401_b.jpgwagon timber 2 (7) by Sam, on Flickr

38181206072_79888a4669_b.jpgwagon timber 2 (8) by Sam, on Flickr

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getting the early brakevan ready for the show

 

wooden brake shoes on brass brackets made by the late Tony Bond

26581896939_090c4e1c0f_b.jpgbrakevan 2 (13) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the rodding was soldered on

24485758298_61e5c771df_b.jpgbrakevan 2 (14) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the roof is black styrene with planking scribed into and scratched to give wood effect and repainted the solebar ironwork

26581901309_6fba7970fe_b.jpgbrakevan 2 (15) by Sam, on Flickr

 

with it done, i could have a running session with 2 good trains

38326535472_801652093f_b.jpg12-11-2017 (1) by Sam, on Flickr

 

and box it all up ready for next week

37643161664_dd2a9006a3_b.jpg12-11-2017 (2) by Sam, on Flickr

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Last night i worked on the engine and roof of the Knowles

 

radiotor, exhaust and drive gear housing

24513747028_2e1dec8f08_b.jpgknowles (60) by Sam, on Flickr

38354063222_70b3b62651_b.jpgknowles (61) by Sam, on Flickr

 

some styrene rod to represent the cylinder valve push rods and small rectangles of thin sheet on top for the rocker arms

24513753568_bab9cd6e44_b.jpgknowles (63) by Sam, on Flickr

 

test fit in the cab

38354068222_0d5728ee06_b.jpgknowles (64) by Sam, on Flickr

 

The roof with locating lugs

24513751258_d4e4851117_b.jpgknowles (62) by Sam, on Flickr

 

the engine stuck in place after painting and a pencil cross on tyhe roof to mark the exhaust pipe position

38354071072_f6c8213d28_b.jpgknowles (65) by Sam, on Flickr

38354072602_748cb37e14_b.jpgknowles (66) by Sam, on Flickr

 

since there is clearly no curve on the roof in the prototype photo on the side or end, the roof of mine will either stay flat or be domed like a stroudley, i havent decided yet

 

the narrow planet plates wont make it in time for the show, i would liked to have had them fitted for the weekend, theyre estmated to be done in about 2 weeks

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everything is back home and ive now got a few things to sort out.

 

First thing though is that i found out what the 'early' brake van is, its a 1840/50's North Eastern "York van", a side drawing and a partial photo in a book as been loaned to me from the LNER society through a friend this shows that a brake column needs to be added to one end of it. During the weekend the van was causing some problems because the buffers are little long causing the chain to be a tight fit over the hooks, i tried bodging this by making longer links to swap with the end link on each end which sort of worked but not with every wagon, i dont know if i'll be able to bring the buffers into the stocks a bit because of how they were made and fitted, so instead i might have to replace all the links with slightly loner ones

 

The dumb buffer gravel needs some work as well, the hook heads sit into the slots a bit too far and the coupling chains that came with the hooks are too small giving the same coupling problems as the brake van. the 3 skytrex wagons were also a nuisance riding wrong way over a point half of the time, but i think its the profile of the blade needs looking at not the wagons.

 

i entered the competition again this year,one of the G&SW wagons into the wagon category but not won and Thunderchild into the loco category and did win

26762729779_b8081a629a_b.jpgthunderchild trophy by Sam, on Flickr

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everything is back home and ive now got a few things to sort out.

 

First thing though is that i found out what the 'early' brake van is, its a 1840/50's North Eastern "York van", a side drawing and a partial photo in a book as been loaned to me from the LNER society through a friend this shows that a brake column needs to be added to one end of it. During the weekend the van was causing some problems because the buffers are little long causing the chain to be a tight fit over the hooks, i tried bodging this by making longer links to swap with the end link on each end which sort of worked but not with every wagon, i dont know if i'll be able to bring the buffers into the stocks a bit because of how they were made and fitted, so instead i might have to replace all the links with slightly loner ones

 

The dumb buffer gravel needs some work as well, the hook heads sit into the slots a bit too far and the coupling chains that came with the hooks are too small giving the same coupling problems as the brake van. the 3 skytrex wagons were also a nuisance riding wrong way over a point half of the time, but i think its the profile of the blade needs looking at not the wagons.

 

i entered the competition again this year,one of the G&SW wagons into the wagon category but not won and Thunderchild into the loco category and did win

26762729779_b8081a629a_b.jpgthunderchild trophy by Sam, on Flickr

Thought the layout and rolling stock did you credit and an excellent example of what can be achieved at this scale without expending lots of money on locos etc. Knowing you made the majority yourself must give you great satisfaction. Looking forward to its next development

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ive mentioned this idea before but now ive started building it.

 

while researching North British wagons for a friend in an LNER wagon book i came across a brake van i would like to build, a number of short brake vans ran on the cowlairs rope incline in Glasgow before being rebuilt after the incline changed to loco traction

http://www.nbrstudygroup.co.uk/galleries/images_people/Cowlairs-Incline-45613.jpg

Cowlairs-Incline-45613.jpg

 

being rebuilt into covered brake vans like this

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i really like the handrails and that they were only 12' 6" over bufferbeams with a 7' 3" wheelbase, today ive started drawing and making. the wheels and bearings are from wizard models, the whitemetal axleboxes are secondhand and cant remember, the drawing is partly done with the side view drawn from a flat side view in the book, the bufferbeams have been cut and drilled which sit next to the chassis drawing

38523573996_6fce7cd151_b.jpgbrakevan NBR (1) by Sam, on Flickr

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I always enjoy reading this thread and seeing how you put your stock and locos together. Looking forward to seeing the brake van. The Knowles reminds me a bit of the Groundle Glen's Polar Bear which is on my never ending list of things to build one day. 

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