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#1 Andy Y

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 14:24

Hattons Class 14xx/48xx/58xx
 
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New 0-4-2T model including classes never before modelled in ready to run
 
 
 
Hattons Model Railways newest OO gauge announcement follows on from the GWR King with another product of Swindon works, the Collett 0-4-2T.
The GWR 14xx/48xx/58xx class 0-4-2 was the workaday loco of many GWR branch lines and local services. The 95 locomotives were mainly built for mixed
traffic work and the 14xx/48xx loco’s were fitted with auto gear allowing them to be used with autocoaches, simplifying branch line use. Four 14xx’s survive into
preservation, with 1466 in the care of the Great Western Society based at Didcot.
 
Our new,highly detailed model will be designed and produced in partnership with DJ Models and will set new standards for a ready-to-run small locomotive with
levels of detail only previously seen on high quality brass locomotives. Each locomotive will incorporate correct detail differences including top feed, whistle
guard, auto gear and ATC boxes (see table below). Delivery due late 2015/early 2016
 
The following Class 14xx’s will be built to the specifications below:
 
H1401 Class 48xx 0-4-2 4825 in GWR Unlined green with Great Western lettering £99
H1402 Class 58xx 0-4-2 5814 in GWR Unlined green with Great Western lettering - Lightly weathered £99
H1403 Class 48xx 0-4-2 4871 in GWR Unlined green with Shirtbutton logo - Lightly weathered £99
H1404 Class 58xx 0-4-2 5808 in GWR Unlined green with Shirtbutton logo £99
H1405 Class 48xx 0-4-2 4807 in GWR Wartime black with G W R lettering - Lightly weathered £99
H1406 Class 14xx 0-4-2 1420 in GWR Unlined green with G W R lettering £99
H1407 Class 58xx 0-4-2 5802 in GWR Unlined green with G W R lettering - Lightly weathered £99
H1408 Class 58xx 0-4-2 5816 in BR Lined black with BRITISH RAILWAYS (Gill Sans) £99
H1409 Class 14xx 0-4-2 1470 in BR Lined black with early emblem £99
H1410 Class 58xx 0-4-2 5819 in BR Unlined black with early emblem £99
H1411 Class 58xx 0-4-2 5801 in BR Unlined green with G W R lettering - Lightly weathered £99
H1412 Class 14xx 0-4-2 1474 in BR Unlined black with early emblem - Heavily weathered £99
H1413 Class 14xx 0-4-2 1444 in BR Lined green with early emblem £99
H1414 Class 14xx 0-4-2 1450 in BR Lined green with late crest £99
H1415 Class 14xx 0-4-2 1432 in BR Lined green with late crest - Heavily weathered £99
H1416 Class 14xx 0-4-2 1409 in BR Unlined green with late crest £99
 
Product detail matrix:
 
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Specification:
 
RP25 wheel profiles
6 Pin DCC Socket
Provision for DCC sound speaker in coal bunker
Chemically blackened wheels
Separately fitted and blackened handrails
NEM pockets with tension lock couplings
5 pole motor, capable of similar running qualities to DJ Models Austerity or better
Fully detailed and painted cab interior
Vacuum brake pipes fitted to bufferbeams - additional bufferbeam detailing pipes included with model for customer to fit
Separately fitted etched brass cabside numberplates (as per King class)
Separately fitted BR smokebox door numberplate & shedplate (where applicable)
Provision of Auto-working gear (or lack of) where applicable to specific model
Correct details for individual model - Top Feed, Bunker Steps, Whistle Guard
Separately supplied and fitted headlamps (as per King class)
Electrical pickup on all six wheels
Prototypical gap between frames with cosmetic inside motion
Separately fitted smokebox door handle/dart
Variation of top-feed and non-top feed fitted boilers
Cab window glazing
Seperately fitted (and removable) cabside doors
Correct fitment of ATC equipment and whistle guard per model

 


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 14:32

Superb news. The old 48xx line is very long in the tooth and this model will be excellent for GWR/WR modelers. Also the BR versions should tie in well with Bachmann's forthcoming Hawksworth Autocoach.

Hattons have an impressive list of variants and liveries announced including unusual ones such as lined BR black (hello Ashburton :)). It is also good to note they have already accounted for variations such as top-feeds and whistles. Clearly someone has been perusing Peto's register. ;)

Now all we need is proper GWR-period auto-coach. The ex-Airfix offering is showing its age as well as its hybrid origins.

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#3 Mallard60022

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 14:43

Blimey. God has also been reading my Seaton Branch in February 1965 notes!! That's twice he/she has helped me so far this year.


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#4 Mallard60022

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 14:47

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  •  But, it's even 1450!  Thank you.

Pssst..........S15!

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 15:02

This has made my day! Cannot wait to see this one, well done Dave and Hattons, shall be ordering at least two!
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Posted 20 November 2014 - 15:08

Excellent news!! I will certainly have one.

Right best crack on and get the Airfix one finished!

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Nick.
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Posted 20 November 2014 - 15:12

Hello Titfield!
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Posted 20 November 2014 - 15:13

A wonderful announcement! Well done Hattons and DJM, is this the start of a GWR range I wonder.......

 

Being slightly synical I wonder if the announcement has been made today after Hornby's statement yesterday :scratchhead:  

 

 

 

Edited for spelling mistake


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 15:21

I'm sorry to p... on people's chips because I like Dave Jones and wish him well in his ventures, BUT we have yet to see a finished product hit the market  and I think it would be better to hold back on the announcements until a couple of the promises are fulfilled.

 

Ed


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 15:25

hip hip hooray about time someone made a decent version of the 14xx well done DJ Models willcertainly be ordering a few!

this has made my week :locomotive:


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 15:27

 

I'm sorry to p... on people's chips because I like Dave Jones and wish him well in his ventures, BUT we have yet to see a finished product hit the market  and I think it would be better to hold back on the announcements until a couple of the promises are fulfilled.

 

Ed

 

This is Hattons as a leading stockist announcing that Dave has been awarded the project (along with the King, J94s etc) so it's their call. Don't forget that other manufacturers have produced for them so they're reasonably experienced on this score.


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 15:33

I'm sorry to p... on people's chips because I like Dave Jones and wish him well in his ventures, BUT we have yet to see a finished product hit the market and I think it would be better to hold back on the announcements until a couple of the promises are fulfilled.

Ed

Hi Ed,
I understand your concerns. However my reply must by that although for the moment you are correct, the revised Beattie is but a couple of months away with the O2 hot on its heals with the J94 right behind that.

Also if the 2 of the biggest retailers decide that they have faith in me, then I would hope that that would assuage your concerns.
These guys aren't into throwing their money away and are shrewd business men.

They are certainly not mugs and know where and when to spend their money, even if it's with someone like me with no background in designing and bringing to market, award winning models! ;-)

Cheers
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Posted 20 November 2014 - 15:50

Hi Ed,
I understand your concerns. However my reply must by that although for the moment you are correct, the revised Beattie is but a couple of months away with the O2 hot on its heals with the J94 right behind that.

Also if the 2 of the biggest retailers decide that they have faith in me, then I would hope that that would assuage your concerns.
These guys aren't into throwing their money away and are shrewd business men.

They are certainly not mugs and know where and when to spend their money, even if it's with someone like me with no background in designing and bringing to market, award winning models! ;-)

Cheers
Dave

 

Hi Dave (and Andy). No offence meant, and I take on board the comment that Hattons have made the announcement. If the O2 is coming out under the Kernow brand, and the King and now the 14xx under the Hatton's brand, which of the forthcoming models will be DJM branded?

 

BTW I have no doubt of your background and have several of your models but I stand by my initial point that it will be nice to see finished products.

 

Cheers

 

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 15:50

Superb news indeed!  :locomotive:  The perfect match for Bachmann's new auto! Got me very tempted now...

Only one question and it may sound a bit silly, but will this be Limited Editions (small runs)? Like the new Private Austerity Liveries announced for Hattons and the Well Tanks for Kernow?  :scratchhead:

 



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Posted 20 November 2014 - 15:52

Hi Dave (and Andy). No offence meant, and I take on board the comment that Hattons have made the announcement. If the O2 is coming out under the Kernow brand, and the King and now the 14xx under the Hatton's brand, which of the forthcoming models will be DJM branded?
 
BTW I have no doubt of your background and have several of your models but I stand by my initial point that it will be nice to see finished products.
 
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Hi Ed,

They will be branded under their respective owners names but there will be reference to DJModels either on the box or in the instructions.

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 16:26

Ed,

 

I can understand exactly what you say but I presume DJM is managing the development and manufacture of these to a customer spec - which was presumably developed in conjunction with DJM's customer?

 

If you want to see a result of such a trade relationship in operation just have a look at the dvd which came with the December edition of BRM and you can at least see that there is an

0-4-4T which runs (someone has been critical of the detail but to me it looks like an O2 although I have yet to see a painted version) and I've got no complaints about my Kernow well tank which came from the same design process and factory.

 

It might well be that DJM is taking on a lot of commission work (wait 'til Saturday!) but not all projects are at the same stage and I'm sure the commissioners are playing a very active role in certain aspects of the design, the detail specification and research for it, and the checking of CADs and EPs etc approving each stage before the factory gets the go-ahead to advance to the next step (and of course only paying at each step if they are satisfied).

 

So on commissions it certainly isn't all down to DJM and it is plain that some folk are sufficiently satisfied with the process to put very large amounts of money where their mouths and press announcements are.

 

But, like everyone else I shall judge by results as that is the only fair way to judge and as yet no DJM/commissioned via DJM, model has reached a fully finished, fully liveried state but the first one isn't all that far away.  I have just seen another DJM managed job turn from initial spec into first CADs within a handful of months so clearly the factory and its staff appear to know what they're at - provided they get the correct information.

 

And it's not just DJM/commissioned via DJM  but an awful lot of other unknown or semi-unknown quantities are appearing on the market - Hornby are using new factories (with mixed results on QC and adherence to spec - assuming the spec was correct), Oxford Rail product is unknown in UK model railway format although they have manufactured for an overseas brand which has a good reputation. and Austrains/Brittrains is an unknown in UK terms.  In fact in British market 4mm r-t-r the only ones who do seem to have any sort of established manufacturing and quality etc reputation, be it good or bad, more than a year or so old are Bachmann, Dapol and Heljan (plus the factory used to make Kernow's models).  Everyone else is a a newcomer, or not far off, in manufacturing terms even if they might have a long established name newcomer.  

 

And 18 months back who'd have thought that would soon be the case?


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 16:46

You have hit the nail on the head there Mike. Couldn't agree more with you.,

Kind regards,

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 17:20

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Well, at least the reason for the delay with Hornby and Bachmann models is explained!  -  DJM have booked all the manufacturing slots in China.

 

More seriously, Although a Southern modeller, I  AM  pleased about this announcement as it MIGHT signal that other rather "old" models could be replaced, but let's see how this does commercially.

 

In addition, this little snippet caught my eye ;

 

 

 

DJM Dave :-

 

"............ the revised Beattie is but a couple of months away with the O2 hot on its heals ......."

 

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I didn't know anything about revisions, does anyone know ? 

 

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 17:37

Finally, a decent model of a 1400 (all being well). They are a bit costly but considering what a lovely loco they are and the quality they should be, a great investment in my opinion. Any proposed release dates yet, I presume 2016/17 time?


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 17:38

Fantastic news and it takes me back 20 years to when Dapol announced their revamp of the old Airfix.It didn't quite work out for them and the Hornby model too complete with traction tyres wasn't brilliant either so it's fourth time lucky for DJM !


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 17:38

This has made my day! Cannot wait to see this one, well done Dave and Hattons, shall be ordering at least two!

Ditto!


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 17:52

Dave
can you advise if the front toolboxes will have a variation as some were central to the splasher while others were forward some had one central and one forward, the toolbox position had an effect on the spare lamp irons.

Could you supply the body only so it can be married to the High Level chassis?

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 18:15

Might as well just had over my credit card to you Dave.

 

2x Kings

2x 48xx

 

Just need a Dean Goods, a load of pre-war GWR coaches and a bigger credit card limit....

 

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 18:16

Excellent news - I might finally get a decent running 48/58xx!


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Posted 20 November 2014 - 18:30

Here's a question for Dave:  or perhaps I should ask Hattons.  After pre-ordering a King in the first rush of enthusiasm, Hattons followed up by announcing DCC fitted versions.  It wasn't a problem to change the order but I wonder if I can avoid the same this time if I wait a little?  Will there be a DCC fitted version?

 

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