Karhedron Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 No sign of a 117 in the 2018 Farish announcements. What do you think Dave, any chance of an N gauge 117 from DJM? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EHertsGER Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) Hattons just emailed me to tell me the price will be £299, discounted in their books to £254 or threabouts. I assume this is some form of progress... Edited January 11, 2018 by EHertsGER Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Hattons just emailed me to tell me the price will be $299, discounted in their books to $254 or threabouts. I assume this is some form of progress... Well, it means the price is progressing, no idea about the model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) Over on the Bachmann 2018 announcements thread, updates for current products show the 117 is now in the tool room to produce the first EP. Edited January 10, 2018 by BR(S) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) Prices for the Kernow GWR150 Limited Editions are £329.95 for the 117 and £164.99 for the 121. Edited January 21, 2018 by Paul.Uni Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernowtim Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Prices for the Kernow GWR150 Limited Editions are £329.95 for the 117 and £164.99 for the 121.Think I will be keeping my lima 3 car units, bought new for around £12 each a few years ago!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Yes I'm glad I stocked up a few years ago. You can do a lot with the basic Lima model. I just don't pay these stupid prices. Given the amount of stock that sits for years in local model shops I am not the only one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Yes I'm glad I stocked up a few years ago. You can do a lot with the basic Lima model. I just don't pay these stupid prices. Given the amount of stock that sits for years in local model shops I am not the only one. The man at Silver Fox still seems to be selling his conversion kits to make the Lima DMBS into a DMS (or is it the other way round?), often offered on ebay by himself as "skmodeller" - no interest except as a very satisfied customer. Even the standard model at £250+ seems quite a lot, although I'm sure it will be splendid. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of IKB Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Prices for the Kernow GWR150 Limited Editions are £329.95 for the 117 and £164.99 for the 121. Gulp! I suddenly need a lie down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted August 22, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 22, 2018 £164 is ball-park for a quality locomotive these days and the single-car vehicles are effectively just that as is the motorised class 117 coach. That effectively prices the trailers for the 3-car units at £83 apiece which is above the level of previous commissions but may be factored for a 2019/20 cost base. And remember these are commissions not mainstream catalogue releases which usually has a bearing on price. With the Bachmann 4Cep units from a well-used tool now listed at £300 (though widely available for less) and the forthcoming 2-Hap at £212 the DMU prices are in the same ball park whether we like it or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 £164 is ball-park for a quality locomotive these days and the single-car vehicles are effectively just that as is the motorised class 117 coach. That effectively prices the trailers for the 3-car units at £83 apiece which is above the level of previous commissions but may be factored for a 2019/20 cost base. And remember these are commissions not mainstream catalogue releases which usually has a bearing on price. With the Bachmann 4Cep units from a well-used tool now listed at £300 (though widely available for less) and the forthcoming 2-Hap at £212 the DMU prices are in the same ball park whether we like it or not. Indeed yes, and frankly if that's what a manufacturer or commissioner wants for their product, it's pay up or do without! The issue then is how many choose to do without, particularly if an alternative, in this case the Lima 117, exists. It's relatively simple to get a Bachmann 4 CEP in mint condition off ebay for under £100, and Hattons still have a raft of 2 HALs in blue available for £62 a pop. So it seems to me that once the first line of demand has been met, there may not be a lot underneath to keep the price up. Exceptionally, the Kernow "Thumper" unit has kept its price, particularly in the second hand market, so presumably they simply haven't made very many? John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 It's relatively simple to get a Bachmann 4 CEP in mint condition off ebay for under £100, and Hattons still have a raft of 2 HALs in blue available for £62 a pop. So it seems to me that once the first line of demand has been met, there may not be a lot underneath to keep the price up. Exceptionally, the Kernow "Thumper" unit has kept its price, particularly in the second hand market, so presumably they simply haven't made very many? If you can point me in the direction of blue/grey CEPs for under £100 I'd be very grateful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Geep7 Posted August 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) If you can point me in the direction of blue/grey CEPs for under £100 I'd be very grateful.With the risk of going OT, so would I, as i'd like a second one. I seem to recall the same argument about price being made around the Kernow Thumper & 4-TC, but I think i'm in the majority by saying both are worth the price. I'm pretty sure the 117 will be as well, even though i've just finished improving a Lima one. The new power-train would be worth it alone.... Edited August 23, 2018 by Geep7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 If you can point me in the direction of blue/grey CEPs for under £100 I'd be very grateful. Right, I was thinking of the green ones when I made the post. Are Blue/grey more pricey? John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Geep7 Posted August 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) Right, I was thinking of the green ones when I made the post. Are Blue/grey more pricey? John. They certainly seem to be much thinner on the ground. I ended having to pay closer to £200 to get my hands on one. Edited August 23, 2018 by Geep7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Right, I was thinking of the green ones when I made the post. Are Blue/grey more pricey? John. I bought a blue grey for £120 in 2017 and sold it for the same in 2018, the only units I saw under £100 were the EPBs but they too were generally £120. Hattons have a lot of green 2 EPB and 4 CEP in their second hand, all well over £130. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 If you can point me in the direction of blue/grey CEPs for under £100 I'd be very grateful. If you can travel back in time some 5 years, they could be picked up £80 each in the clearence bins, they were around £120 each when first released. It does feel odd seeing the word Bargain and £210 on the current B/G 4-CEP when the combined cost of both of mine was less than that. However, looks like I'm gonna pay when that 4-BEP appears needed to finish off my boat train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I seem to recall the same argument about price being made around the Kernow Thumper & 4-TC, but I think i'm in the majority by saying both are worth the price. I'm pretty sure the 117 will be as well, even though i've just finished improving a Lima one. The new power-train would be worth it alone.... That poses a thought for those who prefer to bodge. Has anyone got hold of a cheap Bachmann class 108 to sacrifice the Derby ends to replace Lima class 116 / 117 cab ends, and the Bachmann power bits to drive it ? Pretty sure 108s can be had reasonably cheaply, but I appreciate the drive unit is obtrusive. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 That poses a thought for those who prefer to bodge. Has anyone got hold of a cheap Bachmann class 108 to sacrifice the Derby ends to replace Lima class 116 / 117 cab ends, and the Bachmann power bits to drive it ? Pretty sure 108s can be had reasonably cheaply, but I appreciate the drive unit is obtrusive. Do Replica supply a correct length motor unit, their motors are unobtrusive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Do Replica supply a correct length motor unit, their motors are unobtrusive. Yes. Replica can supply 57' and 64' frame power car chassis I believe, but i think they are £50+ for one motorised frame, whereas a secondfhand 108 might be had for that price - with the Derby cab ends. That is if anyone feels the urge to replace the Lima cabs with Bachmann cabs 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 With the risk of going OT, so would I, as i'd like a second one. I seem to recall the same argument about price being made around the Kernow Thumper & 4-TC, but I think i'm in the majority by saying both are worth the price. I'm pretty sure the 117 will be as well, even though i've just finished improving a Lima one. The new power-train would be worth it alone.... I dont think its a question of if they are worth it, but more a question of can I afford it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted August 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 23, 2018 Yes. Replica can supply 57' and 64' frame power car chassis I believe, but i think they are £50+ for one motorised frame, whereas a secondfhand 108 might be had for that price - with the Derby cab ends. That is if anyone feels the urge to replace the Lima cabs with Bachmann cabs I’m not sure why you would want to change the cabs... the Lima profile may be wrong but why would you want to make it wronger.... perhaps a more economical 117 powered chassis could be found in the Heljan parcels car? Griff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of IKB Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Heljan 128 is a good idea for a donor..... until you take the body off. That thing has a massive metal chassis like a loco, and prevents any interior at all being fitted to a dmu car. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickL2008 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 That poses a thought for those who prefer to bodge. Has anyone got hold of a cheap Bachmann class 108 to sacrifice the Derby ends to replace Lima class 116 / 117 cab ends, and the Bachmann power bits to drive it ? Pretty sure 108s can be had reasonably cheaply, but I appreciate the drive unit is obtrusive. Yes I've done so on my 3 car Regional railways class 117, it requires quite a bit of profiling but looks miles better than the Lima cab ends, I can post a picture? NL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Yes I've done so on my 3 car Regional railways class 117, it requires quite a bit of profiling but looks miles better than the Lima cab ends, I can post a picture? NL Please yes, I'd love to see the difference. John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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