Porcy Mane Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Solved the problem of the wheel catching, converted it to EM! Problem then is the wheel catches the brake mechanism, so that needed gluing to the axleguard and thinning. Mike. is the brake mechanism spigoted to the chassis in the same way as on the Hornby tope? See items 38-9 on the attached pic. And I guess the coupling assembly must be part of the chassis moulding now, not a separate screwed on affair? ....and my brake levers fell off whilst removing that block! Oooh goody. That should make their replacement with Ambis etched jobbies a little less stressful. P Edited January 21, 2015 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 21, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2015 Hang on a mo - will the new 21 ton body go on the tope chassis to give us a fitted diagram 146 hopper? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Hang on a mo - will the new 21 ton body go on the tope chassis to give us a fitted diagram 146 hopper? Phil Dia 1/146 were welded construction. There were some to 1/147 which were supposedly vac-fitted, but I can't remember seeing any. Edited January 21, 2015 by Fat Controller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 21, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2015 Thanks Brian Pauls excellent site has vac fitted 147s but they are all the rebodied style Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Hang on a mo - will the new 21 ton body go on the tope chassis to give us a fitted diagram 146 hopper? But start thinking about a Parkside welded body on the tope chassis and there is some decent permutations. Parkside kindly sell the body sprues separately. Thing is, it then starts getting expensive for one wagon. That's why there is upwards of forty Parkside hoppers and a good few more Airfix/Hornby/Bradwell combinations strewn across my work bench... P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 21, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Too true Porky! Similar trainloads of Hornby and PD hopper currently in Elmstone Hardwicke works for Abbotswood duties Does the PD dia 146 kit come with a VB option? Phil Edited January 21, 2015 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Does the PD dia 146 kit come with a VB option? Don't think so but I'll check later to confirm. Busy at the mo. IMHO the Cylinder on the Hornby Tope is noticeably too small. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 The PC77 1/146 kit is not the one suitable for VB as the end stanchions are wrong it would take using the ends off a PC78 rebody to do them! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 21, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2015 Thanks Mark Will have to investigate that then Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 A couple of minutes work with some evergreen strip and channel would see the ends of Parksides 1/146 body converted into a respectable 1/146 Lot 3157 wagon. Steel vac pipe from 0.9 brass and Wizard models does a pair of BR hopper vac cylinders but beware, the 21 ton BR hopper builds can be as confusing as the 16 ton mineral. For example, Pressed Steel seemed to fit vacuum cylinders to the lot 3157 wagons at random. There is a good few pics about that show wagons from lot 3157 fitted with all vacuum brake paraphernalia apart from the cylinder itself and coupling hoses. Painted grey of course. And a similar but subtly different 21 tonner alongside one of it's earlier 13t wooden brethren in deepest Sussex. Ardingly Station, 28 Oct 1962 by Ian D Nolan, on Flickr P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 This fitting of wagons with most of the paraphenalia of vacuum braking seems to have happened a lot; I've seen Tipplers, 16t Minerals and Pig Iron wagons all so fitted. A lot of the tipplers and hoppers were to receive the finishing additions in the mid 1970s, when there was a hurried attempt to find vac-fitted stock for Mendip (and other) stone traffic- I remember rows of wagons awaiting fitting around the Bristol area, where Barton Hill was undertaking some of this work. I wonder what two hoppers were doing at Ardingly- was there a sand terminal or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 You could always put a fitted head of Banana vans on, as they used to do at the time on unfitted mineral trains in South Wales. Often branded 'Tadpole'. Couple of rakes often stabled at Llantrisant amongst other places. . Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Often branded 'Tadpole'. Couple of rakes often stabled at Llantrisant amongst other places. . Brian R It was Llantrisant that sprung to mind, along with Llandeilo Junction. It was presumably intended so that freights using the South Wales main line could run a little bit faster. I don't think I ever so the vehicles used on feeder trips to Llandeilo Jct, only on the main-line workings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I wonder what two hoppers were doing at Ardingly- was there a sand terminal or something? Probably stone traffic. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Ardingly,+Haywards+Heath,+West+Sussex+RH17/@51.0321359,-0.0920099,347m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x4875f48500ed6c47:0x9bc1bd7b0be2afc9?hl=en P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2015 Mike. is the brake mechanism spigoted to the chassis in the same way as on the Hornby tope? See items 38-9 on the attached pic. And I guess the coupling assembly must be part of the chassis moulding now, not a separate screwed on affair? HornbyTope-1-EditSm.jpg Oooh goody. That should make their replacement with Ambis etched jobbies a little less stressful. P Looks absolutely nothing like that !!! It's the diagram 1/141 & 1/143 (HUO) that has been done, with single sided clasp brakes. It's the lower link bar between the 2 shoes which needs thinning, similar to the problem of widening Bachmann EE type 1 wheelsets. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) It's the diagram 1/141 & 1/143 (HUO) that has been done, with single sided clasp brakes. Thanks Mike, I realise about the single sided brakes Mike. Although the new Hornby hopper looks far more like a LNER Diagram 100 by Hurst Nelson to me with the end hand rails as built. The hand rails were soon modified by extension to give set riders more to grab hold onto. I just wondered if the single sided clasp brakes looked like they were a separate moulding spigotted to main chassis as on the tope. P Edited January 22, 2015 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2015 I just wondered if the single sided clasp brakes looked like they were a separate moulding spigotted to main chassis as on the tope. P Yes, the whole single brake moulding for both wheels is spigoted, and doesn't seem to be glued either! It's an easy enough solution to thin the bar down and then glue it to the inside of the w iron though. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Phil, I don\t think the LNER version with the long brake handle worked anywhere out of ER territory(and then were mainly in the north east I believe) - as such they're ideal to go with an NE allocated K1 so Hornby have done something quite interesting in matching a new wagon in their catalogue to a new loco in that catalogue. I can't recall ever seeing one with a long brake handle anywhere on Western territory although you never know, the odd one or two might have made it. Can't speak for the WR but they were an everyday sight, if perhaps not common sight on the LMR. H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post Mark C Posted January 24, 2015 RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2015 Talking of chopping and hacking, I'm up to six variants using Parkside's kits (this should probably be posted on Kitbuilding and Scratchbuilding...) ie: - LNER riveted as built, LNER underframe re-bodied 6-panel, LNER underframe re-bodied 3-panel, 6-panel as built, 3-panel vacuum fitted and 3-panel unfitted...and there are still more variants to do by the looks of it. I've included photos of five of these awaiting completion and weathering. Parkside have been extremely helpful in selling specific sprues from their kits to enable this. In all cases Paul's definitive website is a mine of information. The close clearances are just as difficult with the kits - there is often less than 1mm between the hopper bases and 00 gauge wheelsets. I have used Alan Gibson wheels and the way round it is to ensure the wheels are gauged in the centre of the axles, the wheels run true, ensure no wobbly wheel rims and any moulding pips from the plastic wheel centres are removed. Hornby's model is superb and hopefully the start of a line of more variants. All that I would do to it is add the brake cross shaft, handrails across the end stanchions and replace the wheelsets. 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Excellent hoppers... P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 24, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2015 Excellent Mark! That gives us some real inspiration - thank you for sharing Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted January 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2015 are the missing lower handles of the Hornby model at ends missing or is it a different design? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) are the missing lower handles of the Hornby model at ends missing or is it a different design? I assume you're referring to the end handrails? If so does this make it any clearer? http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/paulbartlettsrailwaywagonphotographs/h2E1D2A28#h2e1d2a28 P Edited January 24, 2015 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2015 Hornby's model is superb and hopefully the start of a line of more variants. All that I would do to it is add the brake cross shaft, handrails across the end stanchions and replace the wheelsets. Also the bang plates, buffers and number suffix could do with sorting. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted January 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Yep thats them Edited January 24, 2015 by farren Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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