Flood Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) What size buffer head do I need to order? Thanks You don't want oleo buffers (as previously suggested) as I have never seen a photo of a rebodied one with them. A number of the original, 5 stanchion, body style had oleo buffers (429826 - 429882 series) or self contained buffers (426963 - 427336, 429909 - 430039 series). 13" head spindle buffers were used. From looking at Paul Bartlett's site these styles appear to be the most usual: vacuum fitted wagons http://www.lanarkshiremodels.com/lanarkshiremodelsandsupplieswebsite_051.htm unfitted wagons http://www.lanarkshiremodels.com/lanarkshiremodelsandsupplieswebsite_050.htm Edited May 18, 2018 by Flood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2017 Effective and simple weathering techniques on these wagons; Mike. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Thanks for that Mike. I am into my weathering in a big way and I am always trying out new techniques. That looks really effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2017 Thanks for that Mike. I am into my weathering in a big way and I am always trying out new techniques. That looks really effective. Wouldn't mind giving it a go myself, but the nearest Games Workshop is an hour and a half away! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Can not help myself, ordered a pot off ebay, paid over the odds. But itching to get stuck into a rake of 16t minerals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted January 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2017 Wouldn't mind giving it a go myself, but the nearest Games Workshop is an hour and a half away! Mike. On ebay you can get all the items he mentions (aside from the cotton buds) for about £12-13 total Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2017 Can not help myself, ordered a pot off ebay, paid over the odds. But itching to get stuck into a rake of 16t minerals Pictures to follow please! On ebay you can get all the items he mentions (aside from the cotton buds) for about £12-13 total Assuming the Spanish postal service can get it all here in one piece! Correos interpret FRAGILE as only bounce twice. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 My two re-bodied Parkside vac braked, almost built. I am going to buy some Hornby ones as well and then I will get weathering. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Buffers still to go and a bit of fine tuning to the weathering needed. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 25, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2017 They make up in to a nice model don't they! Have heard others stressing about getting everything square but haven't caused any problems here Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 They make up in to a nice model don't they! Have heard others stressing about getting everything square but haven't caused any problems here Phil Yes I agree they do Phil. It is a question of taking your time with them, I have a flat metal flat set square that I use to get em square. The handrails are very fiddly mind. I did these two as a test. So when I do another batch (perhaps 4 at a time), I might get a bit quicker as I learn t the ins and out of how to approach and how not to approach building them with these two. What I like about them, apart from the fact I remember them moving about the network, is that they offer so many great variations in the weathering that can be applied. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Yes I agree they do Phil. It is a question of taking your time with them, I have a flat metal flat set square that I use to get em square. The handrails are very fiddly mind. I did these two as a test. So when I do another batch (perhaps 4 at a time), I might get a bit quicker as I learn t the ins and out of how to approach and how not to approach building them with these two. What I like about them, apart from the fact I remember them moving about the network, is that they offer so many great variations in the weathering that can be applied. Steve One thing to note is that clearances between the hopper bottoms and the back of the wheels are minimal, which can lead to the wheels rubbing on one side if the body and chassis aren't precisely located relative to one another. This isn't just a problem with the kits; I did half a dozen or so with Dapol bodies (rivet detail removed and plastic ribbing added), before Parkside brought out the kits, using their 'Tope' underframe. One or two of these suffer from dragging wheels. Handrails are best bent up using one of Bill Bedford's bending jigs; it cuts down the profanities to a level that's acceptable for kitchen-table modelling. It's another one of these things that out be covered in high-visibility markings to make it easier to find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wibble Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Effective and simple weathering techniques on these wagons; Mike. Interesting slope on the work table - must be handy for something! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 25, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2017 One thing to note is that clearances between the hopper bottoms and the back of the wheels are minimal, which can lead to the wheels rubbing on one side if the body and chassis aren't precisely located relative to one another. This isn't just a problem with the kits; I did half a dozen or so with Dapol bodies (rivet detail removed and plastic ribbing added), before Parkside brought out the kits, using their 'Tope' underframe. One or two of these suffer from dragging wheels. Handrails are best bent up using one of Bill Bedford's bending jigs; it cuts down the profanities to a level that's acceptable for kitchen-table modelling. It's another one of these things that out be covered in high-visibility markings to make it easier to find. And the same problem with wheel clearances on the Hornby LNER 21 tonners....theres not a lot of room in there! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted May 7, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 7, 2017 And the same problem with wheel clearances on the Hornby LNER 21 tonners....theres not a lot of room in there! Phil Still having problems running these Hornby wagons....derailments aplenty where all else is ok. Has anyone come up with what looks to me like the solution....swapping the wheelsets for narrower wheels to allow freer running and a bit of side play? Mike's EM solution not withstanding.... Cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 I have six of these all are ok. Have you checked the wheels back to back width ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Roger Sunderland Posted May 7, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 7, 2017 Still having problems running these Hornby wagons....derailments aplenty where all else is ok. Has anyone come up with what looks to me like the solution....swapping the wheelsets for narrower wheels to allow freer running and a bit of side play? Mike's EM solution not withstanding.... Cheers Phil Phil I gave up trying to carve bits off the chassis to get these to run freely and ended up swapping the wheelsets for Dapol ones. They now run fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted May 7, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 7, 2017 Thanks both Mick - great minds etc - that was my first line of attack and they were narrow to gauge - but correction not the answer unfortunately Roger - that has to be worth a try, will go there next..... Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Has anyone yet done a regression of these Hoppers into their former LNER glory? So far I can only see LNER 193217 on P.91 of LNER Wagons Vol.4A being possible but my knowledge on LNER wagons isn't that good... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Has anyone yet done a regression of these Hoppers into their former LNER glory? So far I can only see LNER 193217 on P.91 of LNER Wagons Vol.4A being possible but my knowledge on LNER wagons isn't that good... Some of my repaints and added handrails are here, after the J27 photos. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/943-lner-models-in-4mm/page-33 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Some of my repaints and added handrails are here, after the J27 photos. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/943-lner-models-in-4mm/page-33 Very impressive work mick. With the exception of repainting and re-lettering, have you modified the wagons with any extras at all? So far I only know that I need to add the handrail that goes underneath the main handrails Also does the Hornby model only represent examples built by Hurst Nelson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Small handrail on the ends added and Smiths 3 link couplings. I did consider doing the small side handrai,l but decided to much damage to the body would result so left them as moulded. I haven't checked, but I believe these only do the Hurst version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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