RMweb Premium JDW Posted January 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2018 Strange, sorry. Doesn't work when I click it either, yet if I go to the picture and copy the link, it's the same. Try here (should be the first picture in the list) https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=blue+pullman+scrapyard&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB762GB762&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwid9efptL7YAhUPLFAKHSm6BPgQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=615#imgrc=FshQ0ZQfjfZe8M: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) Thanks for that link, two pictures down just provided another livery variant.. No sign of jumper cables or cut out buffer beams on this Grey with Blue Pullman.. or is this a Western one ? http://www.philt.org.uk/keyword/blue%20pullman;swansea/ Although fitted with multiple working..did they ever work in multiple ? Edited January 4, 2018 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 No sign of jumper cables or cut out buffer beams on this Grey with Blue Pullman.. or is this a Western one ? http://www.philt.org.uk/keyword/blue%20pullman;swansea/ I think that is a Western one. Although fitted with multiple working..did they ever work in multiple ? I believe the Bristol Pullman was often a 12-car using both MR sets until about 1971. I haven't been able to find any conclusive photos though. Pics of the MR units on the WR are plentiful enough but they often don't show enough of the train to tell if it is one unit or 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 The blue/grey liveried power car without coupling cutouts and no jumper cables can only be a Western Region type. If you want to see 12-car train photos, have a look in Kevin Robertson's Blue Pullman trilogy of books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_penfold@btinternet.com Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 As nobody else has reported on doing this conversion, it looks like you may be setting a precedent. I expect either nobody else wants to do it because it will be inaccurate in many ways, or they haven't started because they are waiting for someone else to bite the bullet and show them how! Maybe you should be showing everyone else how to do it, not be the one asking the questions? You could indeed be right! There was a reference in this conversation to someone who knew someone who had done it and I recall seeing a post a long time ago (possibly not on this forum) from someone who had sorted the wiring so maybe not the first. I'll let you know how I get on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted January 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2018 Grey blue retooled with jumper cables just announced in N and 00. Looks like sound too. http://news.Bachmann.co.uk 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opelsi Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) Reverse Livery Pullman: I hope this is not solely available as a digital trainset. Would not want to have to fork out for another digital system just to get the Pullman in this livery, could be a deal breaker! Edited January 7, 2018 by Opelsi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Reverse Livery Pullman: I hope this is not solely available as a digital trainset. Would not want to have to fork out for another digital system just to get the Pullman in this livery, could be a deal breaker! Chances are a couple of the major box-shifters might offer them separated from the train packs. I am wondering how many people with larger layouts will order two of the 6-car sets for multiple operation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I am wondering how many people with larger layouts will order two of the 6-car sets for multiple operation. Only those who have bottomless wallets, and are prepared to renumber one set. Regards, John Isherwood. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Only those who have bottomless wallets, and are prepared to renumber one set. Regards, John Isherwood. I should think if one has a layout large enough to accommodate a 12-car train without it looking ridiculous (it'll need a few really good long straights to do it justice), I should think the cost would be of little consequence. I'm sure we'll see it happen on large layouts at exhibitions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakydoke Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Reverse Livery Pullman: I hope this is not solely available as a digital trainset. Would not want to have to fork out for another digital system just to get the Pullman in this livery, could be a deal breaker! Chances are a couple of the major box-shifters might offer them separated from the train packs. Only listed as a digital train set, complete with a Dynamis Ultima DCC system and RailController software package. Manufacture's recommended retail price £949.45. I can see box shifters and individuals doing split sets, just like what happens on the continent with the MultiMaus and z21 train sets. If the Dynamis can be sold for around £200+ after a box shifter price of around £810, that still leaves the Pullman costing around £600. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2018 So in the light of todays announcement should this thread be renamed? Hee hee A 12 car sound fitted rake did appear in Blue at the Newport Neon show on Abbotswood a few years ago - I don't have a photo unfortunately! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Reverse Livery Pullman: I hope this is not solely available as a digital trainset. Would not want to have to fork out for another digital system just to get the Pullman in this livery, could be a deal breaker! Hopefully Bachmann will listen and revisit this for we DC only dinosaurs ....................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Almost certainly. May take a while though. They'll probably want to get rid of the premium sets first. However for me it's probably time to revisit my Kitmaster/Triang/Genesis/Southern Pride hybrid as they aren't going to be doing an eight car set. Already got most of it somewhere. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Just seen the Western Pullman on Hatton's site. Never thought I'd live to see a price of over £800 for RTR...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakydoke Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) Just seen the Western Pullman on Hatton's site. Never thought I'd live to see a price of over £800 for RTR......That's with a £140 discount.The m.r.p. is £950 Edited January 7, 2018 by Oakydoke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted January 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2018 Reverse Livery Pullman: I hope this is not solely available as a digital trainset. Would not want to have to fork out for another digital system just to get the Pullman in this livery, could be a deal breaker! I agree. It would be a deal breaker. I have a DCC system why would I want another one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 One thing to note about the 6-car sets in grey/blue is that they only ran as six-car sets in that livery between early 1970 when they were overhauled and early Autumn of 1971. The WR carriage workings show the Bristol Pullman reverting to an 8-car set from October 1971. After that time, the 6-car sets were split up and the WR ended up with four hybrid 8-car sets, two standard except for one power car from a 6-car and two that were 4-cars from a 6-car set and 4 from an 8-car set. One of these was a regular on the Bristol Pullman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobM Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) Happy New Year Guys.... Amazing this thread I began nearly three years ago is still running, love the way that it has developed and prompted the 'discussion' that it has, after my initial request for info.... I now can see how silly a Pullman would look on my Cambrian Street layout the way that it has developed from its initial concept....! Pleased the thread is still running though... Cheers and best regards to all... Bob Edited January 10, 2018 by BobM 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I agree. It would be a deal breaker. I have a DCC system why would I want another one. I will give you a tenner for it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasslands Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Just seen the Western Pullman on Hatton's site. Never thought I'd live to see a price of over £800 for RTR...... I must admit that I find the decision to package it this way really odd. I didn't immediately realise it included a DCC controller. Would people really want to pay over £800 if they were thinking of an initial switch to DCC? Those of us who already have DCC are unlikely to want to switch control systems. I would have loved to have the reverse livery, but £800+ will not be appearing in my train saving account anytime soon. How much was the original? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 How much was the original? Well, the price of the Bachmann one must be getting close to what BR paid for theirs by now. If you mean the original batch, I paid £280 for mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasslands Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Well, the price of the Bachmann one must be getting close to what BR paid for theirs by now. If you mean the original batch, I paid £280 for mine. That is much cheaper than I expected (based on the current price of the reverse livery), but aligns with my APT-E purchase. Does anyone know what further modifications would be needed to make this the 8-car WR version? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPH 603 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Have a look at RAILCAR.co.uk The image attached is of the floor plan of an 8 car set, although it does indicate what carriage types are used in the set. http://www.railcar.co.uk/images/blue-pullman/plan.jpg http://www.railcar.co.uk/type/blue-pullman/type-02 You can also look at the carriage diagrams, on the side menu is the carriage types. Look at the WR labelled ones (e.g. WR motor car) and you'll be able to see what modifications you will need to make. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 That is much cheaper than I expected (based on the current price of the reverse livery), but aligns with my APT-E purchase. Seemed a lot at the time (2012) but looks a bargain now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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