squeaky Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I'm in the early stages of building a Freemo module to take to the Freemo event in September. As you can see it's called "Sullivan Scrap" It will be 2700mm x 500mm which is about 9ft x 18inches. I have ordered baseboards from Grainge and Hodder which will be about 2 weeks, they weren't cheap however my carpentry skills seem to be getting worse as I get older It's very loosely based on Sullivan Scrap yard in Holyoke, MA https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@42.201875,-72.602426,3a,75y,287.53h,85.02t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1soVvQ2kUS1kf14Mpk6ZvMAg!2e0 Mainly because Athearn do some very nice wagons, which I have just ordered from a model store in Canada. http://www.athearn.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=ATH97584 Here is the first thought put down with AnyRail. Let me know what you think of the plan, does it work?, it's double track with a sweeping bend, the right 2 spurs are the scrapyard and the left hand one is the headshunt. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeaky Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 Some thoughts: double slips are not common in the US/Canada, there's enough space to use 2 points instead. It's cheaper, not only in purchase but more importantly in maintaining it. I'd suggest to remove the double slip (or crossing, if that's what you intended) and replace it with a simple cross over (leading, so opposite to the trailing entry you have now). You could create a small runaround between the head shunt and lower yard spur. A track mobile could be based here, for shunting. For the rest: I like Yes it would be a crossing, the only issue with using 2 switches is that it takes more room, thus making the headshunt a bit shorter, is this what you mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeaky Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) This is what I meant (schematically, of course): sullivan_scrap.jpeg HTH! Ah, sorry I mis-understood what you meant, so something like this? I like it, it means that the switching is done off the main Edited April 10, 2015 by squeaky 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I like the revised one, you might keep the original "flow" of the track better if you moved the crossover to the right of the scrapyard lead though (using one LH and one RH)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted April 10, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 10, 2015 Like the revised one too but is there a reason for the two foot head shunt on the left? Only asking because you could lengthen the loop as much as possible to run round more wagons if you're going to have a loop with a foot long neck. An alternative is to use those same two loop points for two more sidings and have a resident switcher that works the sidings and picks the train up off the incoming loco if it's at the rh end of a train. One can be an extra loading siding and the second a loco spur with a small shed for the loco that could also act as a repair shop for the odd wagon using fly shunting or a top n tail manoeuvre with an incoming loco ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w124bob Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I've weathered up several scrap gondolas including a couple of Atlas ex coalveyers in the Sullivan livery, hard to find now but you may be interested to know that Sullivan have a few of the longer coalveyers that Intermountain did (ex Procor), there now plain with just the EAMX reporting mark. Here is the link, scroll down and there is a link to the EAMX page on Railroad archive pics as well http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/84363-bt-metals-freightcar-fleet-and-sullivan-scrap-loads/. All of my Thrall high side gondolas are the Roundhouse kits picked up of Ebay. Also check the Walthers highside gondola, the DJJX is another common one in scrap service . Can't remember now whether it's PanAm/Guilford or Provident and Worcseter that handle the Sullivan traffic but both handle a fair bit of scrap traffic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted April 11, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 11, 2015 it's not very likely an outfit of this size had a loco shed or even its own dedicated switcher (except the aforementioned track mobile).Yep but you could suggest a bigger complex to justify it with a track leading off the side In reality on a small yard they might have a loader with a buffing bar to push wagons around as I've seen pics of that and a machine using its grab arm to move wagons but they're both difficult to model working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeaky Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) Thanks for all the feedback. I'm trying to design a layout that is interesting to switch but also useful as a Freemo module. The idea with the loop would be to have a resident switcher to switch the cars around once they arrive from the main, so a local comimg off the main could be reversing in or going in loco first. It's very difficult finding a workable design in a reasonably short amount of space. I have made the loop longer and the headshunt is about the same(Paul), I've moved the crossover to the other side of the scrapyard(Martyn not sure how you meant with one LH and one RH), Dutch I understand that an outfit of this size wouldn't have its own switcher, but you could have a couple of locos moving around at once. Let me know what you think Edited April 11, 2015 by squeaky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northpoint Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Ready in time for September? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeaky Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 Nick ,that is the plan, baseboards are ordered, track can be ordered when I finalise the plan. Hopefully myself and Sammy can bring 2 modules, if they fit in the car! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northpoint Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I know all about fitting in the car! My last attempt for our Midlands meeting in March failed and I had to ask somebody else to take Foxley Park. Fortunately, it is only just down the road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w124bob Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Intermountain are doing another run of their bathtub coal gondola in several liveries including the Sullivan version scroll down http://www.intermountain-railway.com/newshocomingsoon.html this long gondola runs from EAMX401>439. I have one Procor patch out it's a nice model but a bit fragile particularly the up right end grab rails. The coupler boxes are held on with tiny pins which don't hold up to much. Probably ok with a couple of trailing cars, I've not looked at the Athearn version but I really rate the Atlas Coalveyer, it has a real chunkness to it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted April 11, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 11, 2015 Can't remember now whether it's PanAm/Guilford or Provident and Worcseter that handle the Sullivan traffic but both handle a fair bit of scrap traffic. Hi Bob, Pan Am usually handle the Sullivan traffic. Video at:- Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Martyn not sure how you meant with one LH and one RH If you put one left and one right together you combine a curve and crossover into one smoother flowing formation, worth trying to see what that looks like with the peco #8s to keep the main line curves smooth? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeaky Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 Phil, I was watching that YouTube video earlier!! Martyn, is this what you mean? Today I have received this... Needs some weathering..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w124bob Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Cheers checked my own saved photos from various sources here are some you might find interesting,Pan Am train PL1 East Deerfield This has been on my files for ages and I can't give you any details, I just saved it as it looked an interesting setup Here is a scruffy looking Sullivan stealth gondola Pan Am also serve Albert Bros scrap at Waterbury CT http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?road=ABSX&cid=6 I have never mastered Google Maps screen grabs but did search and find the Albert Bros yard East Aurora st Waterbury looked one long spur crossing over a river and into the yard. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted April 11, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 11, 2015 Hi bob, Yes - Albert Bros is an interesting site - very modelable indeed! Rail access to it is via the kickback siding under Thomaston Avenue, then over the Naugatuck River on the trestle and under the James Darcy memorial Highway. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@41.5699185,-73.0575546,306m/data=!3m1!1e3 The line that this diverges from has more additional industry choices if you follow it northwards - leads you right to a small modelable yard as well! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SXHALL Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 This has been on my files for ages and I can't give you any details, I just saved it as it looked an interesting setup BRTRP29x.jpg Quick search on Google lead me to the link below... http://www.lirrhistory.com/Bayridge.html Lieberman-Koren Scrap Metal. It is certainly a good way of getting a scrap industry in to small space. Good find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilM Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 I have had my eye on Behr scrap in Rockford Illinois. It is not that much bigger (in modelling terms!) than your plan and it has its own locos eg http://www.iaisrailfans.org/gallery/NebraskaZephyr_19Jul2011/Behr502_SeminarySt_RockfordIL_19Jul2011?full=1 http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/centercab,rockford/Timeline Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w124bob Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 I have had my eye on Behr scrap in Rockford Illinois. It is not that much bigger (in modelling terms!) than your plan and it has its own locos eg http://www.iaisrailfans.org/gallery/NebraskaZephyr_19Jul2011/Behr502_SeminarySt_RockfordIL_19Jul2011?full=1 http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/centercab,rockford/Timeline I like the switcher,nice bit of street running in the first picture and the driver seems to have left his coffee at the bottom of the steps! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeaky Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) Phil, Thanks for that, gives me a few ideas, as I said my layout is based on Sullivan, but will take inspiration from other scrap yards, I'll take another look at a Bachmann 44 or 45 ton. Maybe something like this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bachmann-HO-Scale-Train-GE-44-Ton-DCC-Equipped-Yellow-Black-Stripes-62201-/361130744827?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item541511dbfb Does anyone make a model of a 65 ton?? Edited April 13, 2015 by squeaky 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) Phil, I was watching that YouTube video earlier!! Martyn, is this what you mean? new 9ft us2-4-5.jpg Sorta, I had it in mind with the switches the other way round as the previous versions were though: Further thoughts - if you're definitely having a plant switcher, I think the runround wastes a bit of space (if it's being used on it's own then a runround is a bit pointless as trains can't actually arrive and leave, and if it's being used with another module there's an inherent runround using the crossover and one end of double track on the main line) - something like this setup would allow for the main line loco to drop and pick up cuts of cars in the exchange sidings on the left for the plant switcher to move between there and the two loading tracks (the two angling towards the bottom)? That uses the same number of points, but I think gives you more loading area, and even if it's used on it's own it can be worked by two crews if you like (one "main line" and one plant) Edited April 13, 2015 by Glorious NSE 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeaky Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 Thanks Martyn, it look more like a Scrap yard now. I will draw it up in Anyrail later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Worth a play with, anyhow. Loving the scrapyard background info, with at least two scrapyards looking likely to be at Armitage this year I guess really need to get my steel mill up and running by 2016! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeaky Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 Martyn, following your idea. I have done this in AnyRail, the only extra bit i've done is add a loco spur that could have a shed for the loco to be serviced/stored. The resident loco can be parked out of the way if need be. Do you you think it makes it look too busy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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