s_ellinson Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Hello all I've started creating a searchable index to published private owner wagons in excel format. It lists wagons by Owner, location, county, associated railway, type and publication. I'm about half way through indexing the 30 or so publications on PO wagons from the UK - it started when i wanted to find the published ones from the south of england and, like topsy, it growed. I attach it for anyone's perusal. I'd stress it's a work in progress and a lot of editing will be needed, but people may find it of value. Stewart Ellinson Private owner wagons index.xls 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 great idea - good luck Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted May 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 5, 2015 That's a labour of love Stewart, thanks very much for posting it. I have a lot of information about PO wagons in the Yorkshire Dales from research that I did for my last layout (Long Preston). I'm away on holiday at the moment but when I get home I'll dig out my files and send you the info that I've got. My principle source was the Midland Railway PO registers at Kew plus the harles Roberts order books at the NRM. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampy Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 There is a similar index here, but not as easily filtered as your spreadsheet. http://lightmoor.co.uk/BDLpdf_files/Private_Owner_Wagons_Index.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 If you can find the Post War Charles Roberts order books it would be appreciated! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_ellinson Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) Im aware of the lightmoor index but its hard to Navigate - I wanted to be able to find wagons which operated in and around kent, and this was the answer..... Now it seems to be answering questions I never asked!! I'd also stress that this isn't primary research, its me trawling through the thirty or so published works on PO wagons - the real heroes of this are messrs. Hudson, Turton, pope etc etc Edited May 5, 2015 by s_ellinson 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted May 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) Unfortunately my area of interest was pre grouping and specifically for wagons that operated on the Settle and Carlie and branches so I didn't gather the info for the post war era. The order books are all accessible at the NRM though saved by Bill Hudson who came across a man wheeling them towards the incinerator in a barrow. Jamie Edited May 5, 2015 by jamie92208 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Unfortunately my area of interest was pre grouping and specifically for wagons that operated on the Settle and Carlie and branches so I didn't gather the info for the post war era. The order books are all accessible at the NRM though saved by Bill Hudson who came across a man wheeling them towards the incinerator in a barrow. Jamie Only the Prewar Chas' Roberts order books are at the NRM or if the other are they the NRM deny their existence! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_ellinson Posted May 5, 2015 Author Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) Bill might be the man to talk to - or maybe the intro to his first private owner's book might shed some light on what he saved. And of course, if you take a trip to Matlock, there's Peak rail and his bookshop to peruse! Edited May 5, 2015 by s_ellinson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted May 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 5, 2015 Bill might be the man to talk to - or maybe the intro to his first private owner's book might shed some light on what he saved. And of course, if you take a trip to Matlock, there's Peak rail and his bookshop to peruse!I'm fairly certain that the books that Bill saved, that ended up at the NRM don't cover the post war period. I suspect that they would still ahve been retained by the business. Bill did ledn me his list when i was doing my resarch and \i don't remember anyting more recent than the 1930s;. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_ellinson Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 By way of a progress report, here's an updated version of last weeks file. it now indexes approximately 2200 owners, although I've not been through and tidied up the punctuation etc - in any case, there are still a dozen or so books to go, but all of the Turton, Hudson and Thomas books are in there, along with the OPC Gloucester book and some others. I (think) i can see light at the end of the tunnel. If anyone's got a copy of "private owner wagons on the cambrian" that they don't want - by the welsh railway circle, circa 1997 - I'm after a copy. More next week! Private owner wagons index 12 5.xls 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted May 12, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 12, 2015 Thanks for that. It's good to see progress. I hope to be able to get some stuff done later this week. Do you have the three small paperbacks that were published in the 70's by IIRC a model shop in London. They had outline drawings of wagon sides only. I think I've got two of the three. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_ellinson Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 Those were AG Thomas's "Private owner wagons", the first book I ever bought on PO wagons was his Volume 3. They're all in the index as AGT1 / 2 / 3. They can be a little inaccurate as they were done "off the wagon side" during the war and just after when a lot of PO wagons were in poor shape. There's one case (I forget the wagon) where a wagon was repaired with two planks off a scrapped one, giving rise to a very odd combination of names. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Thanks for that. It's good to see progress. I hope to be able to get some stuff done later this week. Do you have the three small paperbacks that were published in the 70's by IIRC a model shop in London. They had outline drawings of wagon sides only. I think I've got two of the three. Jamie Were they like this? Published by MAP - but I can only find reference to this one, No 11 by Peter Matthews (which I have): Edited May 12, 2015 by Osgood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_ellinson Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 That was the only one about PO wagons (it's also indexed as "MAP") - the AG Thomas books were A5 format and a bit smaller than that one. they were full of sketches Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore43grm Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 hi there, check out the L&Y Soc web site, go to knowledge/facsimiles/operational documents they have as listed - work in progress - Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway Private Owner Wagon Register - book 1 well worth trawling through Russ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted May 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 24, 2015 Cheeky request but I have been unable to get a copy of volume 9 of the Turton book from my library. I am researching Forder and Co as they ran the Burghclere Lime Works. I understand that B. J. Forder & Son Ltd feature on page 61of volume 9. I wonder if anyone who has a copy of that book would be willing to scan that one entry for me and email it? I can't afford £20 for a look at one page of a book. Personal research only, not for gain. Thanks in advance Colin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Were they like this? Published by MAP - but I can only find reference to this one, No 11 by Peter Matthews (which I have): MAP.jpg No they were like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 No they were like this. IMG_20150524_140642.jpg These look interesting, is there an index of which wagons are shown in them? Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted May 24, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 24, 2015 I've got books 2 and 3. Most of the info is good but the ones for the area that I know about have a couple of inaccuracies. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 These look interesting, is there an index of which wagons are shown in them? Mark Saunders No index in the books, although they are in Owner alphabetical order. If you download Stewart's spreadsheet (post 11) you can sort through that. AGT1, AGT2 & AGT3 are the cross reference to these books. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 ive got volumes 1 to 4 of Bill Hudson's private owner wagons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted July 31, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2015 First, Keith Turton intends to publish an index of his books when volume 14 is puit. Secondly, I have for a long time been collecting info on Welsh PO wagons in print, though it has not been kept up to date recently. You are welcome to use it for what it is worth. See attachment. Thirdly, beware an odd error in Matthews who has confused the Hatfield in Yorkshire with thew one in Herts. I don't remember many collieries around St Albans. Jonathan powagons.xls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 First, Keith Turton intends to publish an index of his books when volume 14 is puit. Secondly, I have for a long time been collecting info on Welsh PO wagons in print, though it has not been kept up to date recently. You are welcome to use it for what it is worth. See attachment. Thirdly, beware an odd error in Matthews who has confused the Hatfield in Yorkshire with thew one in Herts. I don't remember many collieries around St Albans. Jonathan Not that it makes any difference, but the actual confusion was over Royston, again either a colliery in Yorkshire or a town in Hertfordshire, not as close to St Albans as Hatfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted August 3, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 3, 2015 Thanks for the correction. Never trust your memory (or rather mine). There are one or two threads on PO wagons at the moment. Would it be a good idea to get them moved to a new topic under Special interests? Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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