Porcy Mane Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 The problem is.. it still is vapourware because we can't buy it yet! Porcy 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted June 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 11, 2015 I disagree. There is a tangible product of a lot of money invested right the there on the page above. Vapourware might be a pertinent word to apply to something you've only been told about, but not seen proof of, but surely in this instance is an inappropriate or even misleading word, if not a tad sensationalist. ....... I believe that the vapourware jibes and the impatient may well stem from the initial announcement of an ambitious programme spanning three scales and four prototypes. I'll also hazard an opinion that this was probably compounded by the DJM wishlist thread and other models being added to the to do list (Churchward mogul, class 59 diesel and 71 electric). The implication being that of a company on the move, ready to crack on and deliver a steady stream of new releases. It's easy to see how expectations were raised. Though it's good to see the J94 well on its way to fruition, it's only a part of the initial announcement of releases, let alone the add-ons. The best way to counter the taunts and complaints is to deliver, not to whinge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Isn't that just what Dave is doing, showing HOW he is delivering? I really feel that "disagreeing" with what was stated above, isn't "whinging", merely being a bit peeved that the rather large investment he made is still being moaned about. I don't see any of the moaners taking out double mortgages and putting their necks on the line. Honestly, Who'd be a model railway manufacturer? Cheers, John E. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) My apologies for the redundant posting, but wow, that looks really great. Nice work Dave. Andy's close up photographs there are pretty relentless, but that model stands up to the close scrutiny very well. It's very exciting for people looking for a J94. Edited June 11, 2015 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted June 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 11, 2015 Ooohhrrrrrrr. Firebox washout plugs visible through the frame cut-outs....oh yes mate, you have been looking at the real thing very closely. Got rid of the tank mould line too, it is worth the delay for that, it is a major improvement over the 'other' one. The injector overflow pipe is the only criticism I could raise, but that's easy to fix - if it shows, remember these photos are cruelly large. Vapourware indeed - boll*ck$ to the doubters. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 11, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) Yes all axles are powered from the coreless motor. That's what coupling rods are for...................... Very nice BTW - when can I have a yellow one please? Cheers, Mick Edited June 11, 2015 by newbryford 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted June 11, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 11, 2015 I believe that the vapourware jibes and the impatient may well stem from the initial announcement of an ambitious programme spanning three scales and four prototypes. I'll also hazard an opinion that this was probably compounded by the DJM wishlist thread and other models being added to the to do list (Churchward mogul, class 59 diesel and 71 electric). The implication being that of a company on the move, ready to crack on and deliver a steady stream of new releases. It's easy to see how expectations were raised. Though it's good to see the J94 well on its way to fruition, it's only a part of the initial announcement of releases, let alone the add-ons. The best way to counter the taunts and complaints is to deliver, not to whinge. Er...I think he already knows that if he delivers he gets a return on his capital.I'm sure he values your "advice". The use of the term "whinge" is ,to say the least,unfortunate.But I suppose that's the price of his transparency on this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukebox Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 If you weren't already seriously impressed by those photos, a word of advice: click on them, and they open up full size. Get a cushion ready for your jaw first. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ryde-on-time Posted June 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) That's what coupling rods are for...................... Very nice BTW - when can I have a yellow one please? Cheers, Mick Yes - details of how to order here : (compulsory for you surely!) http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/78865-rmweb-commission-hunslet-austerity-through-djmodels/?p=1233275 Edited June 12, 2015 by Ryde-on-time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Whilst a kettle like this has no requirement for me, I must say it is a very good example of what DJM standards will be. Never mind the vapourware comments, or even like me it's something you don't want or need. It stands as a good example of what to expect from future releases that you WILL want. Good one Dave, keep raising the standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Trying to give balace and a alternative view for those waiting - The problem is.. it still is vapourware because we can't buy it yet! For those that have waited, it must be noted that back in January it was officially announced that the loco was going to be out in 5/6 months. Here we are - 6 months later - and we are being told that it wont be out for another 6 months! I'm not knocking the product but why cant these companies be a bit more truthful with dates (or less optimistic). I know Bachmann and Hornby (less so lately) have had this problem but DJM is supposed be a 'new broom'. There speaks a man who has never had to deal with our oriental friends. Bernard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltonpieman Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Hi chaps, Apologies for letting this slip under the radar. The space available for the decoder is as follows in length as there is plenty of height........32.198mm The speaker space is created by removing a screw in block sized as follows in the bunker...........Block W7.4mm x L29.55mm x H12.15mm I hope this helps? cheers Dave Hi Dave Thanks for that information. Great model and while it might be a while yet, I think that I will be happy with my model when it arrives. Great work! regards David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted June 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 12, 2015 It's the big day! Expectations building, there's an air of anticipation all around. (sings) It's beginning to feel a lot like Christmas.............. Come on Dave, don the outfit and make your announcement! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold highpeakman Posted June 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 12, 2015 It's a bit too soon for a knighthood surely ? :-) I'll tell you after I've got mine! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawyermodels Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Superb model Dave! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cactustrain Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Hi Dave, I think that model looks great and I have absolutely no complaints with what you are doing or how you are doing it. You're going to be my model loco supplier of choice if you can keep this up. Don't let any detractors put you off. I will be buying a couple of these and I would love you to produce some more industrial locos in future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 12, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 12, 2015 It's the big day! Expectations building, there's an air of anticipation all around. (sings) It's beginning to feel a lot like Christmas.............. Come on Dave, don the outfit and make your announcement! http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/88264-oo-gauge-class-71-electric-locomotive/page-24&do=findComment&comment=1920680 Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted June 12, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 12, 2015 A J94 has no place on my 'blue diesel' layout. But I do like them and (just) remember them at Bickershaw Colliery, plus it looks like its going to be superb model at a sensible price. So is there a complete list of what versions are being produced so I can make my choice? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 A J94 has no place on my 'blue diesel' layout. But I do like them and (just) remember them at Bickershaw Colliery, plus it looks like its going to be superb model at a sensible price. So is there a complete list of what versions are being produced so I can make my choice? I've made a list, of the Limited Edition models with pictures supplied by hattons. I can't find corresponding photos for the full production runs. J9401 Austerity 0-6-0ST "Robert" in NCB Bold Colliery lined green - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9401_3117175_Qty1_2.jpg J9402 Austerity 0-6-0ST 71515 in Mech Navvies maroon - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9402_3117176_Qty1_2.jpg J9403 Class J94 0-6-0ST 68012 in BR black with late crest - lightly weathered - Limited Edition of 250: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9403_3117177_Qty1_2.jpg J9404 Austerity 0-6-0ST 1763 in NCB Peckfield Colliery lined maroon with chevrons - very heavily weathered - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9404_3117178_Qty1_2.jpg J9405 Austerity 0-6-0ST "Hurricane" in NCB Bickershaw Colliery lined green - lightly weathered - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9405_3117179_Qty1_2.jpg J9406 Austerity 0-6-0ST 8 in NCB Mountain Ash Colliery lined green - very heavily weathered - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9406_3117180_Qty1_2.jpg J9407 Austerity 0-6-0ST No 4 in NCB Backworth Colliery lined black - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9407_3117181_Qty1_2.jpg J9408 Austerity 0-6-0ST 98 "Royal Engineer" in Army green - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9408_3117182_Qty1_2.jpg J9409 Austerity 0-6-0ST No 7 in NCB Littleton Colliery lined blue - lightly weathered - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9409_3117183_Qty1_2.jpg J9410 Austerity 0-6-0ST No 15 in Wemyss Private Railway lined brown - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9410_3117184_Qty1_2.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted June 12, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 12, 2015 There speaks a man who has never had to deal with our oriental friends. Bernard Couldn't agree more - it's not any easier in the live steam scales either! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I've made a list, of the Limited Edition models with pictures supplied by hattons. I can't find corresponding photos for the full production runs. J9401 Austerity 0-6-0ST "Robert" in NCB Bold Colliery lined green - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9401_3117175_Qty1_2.jpg J9402 Austerity 0-6-0ST 71515 in Mech Navvies maroon - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9402_3117176_Qty1_2.jpg J9403 Class J94 0-6-0ST 68012 in BR black with late crest - lightly weathered - Limited Edition of 250: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9403_3117177_Qty1_2.jpg J9404 Austerity 0-6-0ST 1763 in NCB Peckfield Colliery lined maroon with chevrons - very heavily weathered - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9404_3117178_Qty1_2.jpg J9405 Austerity 0-6-0ST "Hurricane" in NCB Bickershaw Colliery lined green - lightly weathered - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9405_3117179_Qty1_2.jpg J9406 Austerity 0-6-0ST 8 in NCB Mountain Ash Colliery lined green - very heavily weathered - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9406_3117180_Qty1_2.jpg J9407 Austerity 0-6-0ST No 4 in NCB Backworth Colliery lined black - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9407_3117181_Qty1_2.jpg J9408 Austerity 0-6-0ST 98 "Royal Engineer" in Army green - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9408_3117182_Qty1_2.jpg J9409 Austerity 0-6-0ST No 7 in NCB Littleton Colliery lined blue - lightly weathered - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9409_3117183_Qty1_2.jpg J9410 Austerity 0-6-0ST No 15 in Wemyss Private Railway lined brown - Limited Edition of 200: https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/J9410_3117184_Qty1_2.jpg Add to that the RMWeb yellow version (of which there are only a few of the 200 left) The Kernow LMR Blue one An the recently announced DFR Wilbert plus my own models available either directly or through any DJModels Stockist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) I've made a list, of the Limited Edition models with pictures supplied by hattons. I can't find corresponding photos for the full production runs. J9401 Austerity 0-6-0ST "Robert" in NCB Bold Colliery lined green - Limited Edition of 200: J9402 Austerity 0-6-0ST 71515 in Mech Navvies maroon - Limited Edition of 200: J9403 Class J94 0-6-0ST 68012 in BR black with late crest - lightly weathered - Limited Edition of 250: J9404 Austerity 0-6-0ST 1763 in NCB Peckfield Colliery lined maroon with chevrons - very heavily weathered - Limited Edition of 200: J9405 Austerity 0-6-0ST "Hurricane" in NCB Bickershaw Colliery lined green - lightly weathered - Limited Edition of 200: J9406 Austerity 0-6-0ST 8 in NCB Mountain Ash Colliery lined green - very heavily weathered - Limited Edition of 200: J9407 Austerity 0-6-0ST No 4 in NCB Backworth Colliery lined black - Limited Edition of 200: J9408 Austerity 0-6-0ST 98 "Royal Engineer" in Army green - Limited Edition of 200: J9409 Austerity 0-6-0ST No 7 in NCB Littleton Colliery lined blue - lightly weathered - Limited Edition of 200: J9410 Austerity 0-6-0ST No 15 in Wemyss Private Railway lined brown - Limited Edition of 200: In addition to that there are commissions: Hunslet Austerity No.3806 “WILBERT; Rev W. Awdry O.B.E” Limited Edition of 200 models And RMweb's very own: the penultimate Hunslet 'Austerity', NCB No.65 Are there others? EDIT, Dave beat me to it - the Kernow one: OOJ94-099 DJ Models Class J94 0-6-0 Steam Locomotive number 196 named "Errol Lonsdale" in Longmoor Military Railway livery. Other DJModels in 00: OOJ94-001 DJ Models Class J94 0-6-0 Steam Locomotive number 68023 in BR Black livery with early emblem and tall coal bunker. OOJ94-002 DJ Models Class J94 0-6-0 Steam Locomotive number 68061 in BR Black livery with BRITISH RAILWAYS lettering and original coal bunker. OOJ94-003 DJ Models Class J94 0-6-0 Steam Locomotive number 8064 in LNER livery and original coal bunker. OOJ94-004 DJ Models Class J94 0-6-0 Steam Locomotive number 8023 in LNER livery and original coal bunker. OOJ94-005 DJ Models Class J94 0-6-0 Steam Locomotive number 68068 in BR Black livery BRITISH RAILWAYS lettering and tall coal bunker. Is that it? Edited June 12, 2015 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 40-something Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Absolutely fantastic looking loco which Im sure will prove to be an instant hit. I wish you all the luck with all this and the rest of the models you have announced. If the rest are half as good as this, then they we be twice as good as the rest on the market! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin1985 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I'm guessing that the N gauge model is no longer being developed directly in parallel - what is the timescale for that? (presuming you are still going ahead with N gauge?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 How many members has RMweb got? How many railway modellers are constantly bandying the word vapourware from their own website? One? Where's the sense of perspective? I have every respect for the gent's modelling and some of his website blogs make me chuckle, but the animosity has begun to look suspiciously like a private war. The j94 model looks to be a good 'un right down to its wheels. It's not a product of manly Middle Chrome Green country but hey, I'm not sexist! If DJ is working on a 14XX and a 43XX, he sounds a swell guy...... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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