Geoff Endacott Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 2C90 & 2C91 were the codes for Newton Abbot to Kingswear trains which were regular duties in the 1960s See photo of D6334 in book 1 spotting notes at: http://www.rail-dvd....ge_2565608.html As for fitting alternatives - I've inserted Heljan class 52 headcodes into my model of D6331 (2C75 & 7B08) and they fit perfectly. Just tuck them into the corners with a sharp edged tool and they fit beautiifully. Hope that helps. Steve Devon local passenger trains were usually 2Cxx. Barnstaple trains were 2C99. Geoff Endacott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Amazing what we can disprove even at this distance in time. Now we just need to wait for D6320 too ... Kind regards Phil Hopefully with the name Lister on one side. I have a nice colour photo of it somewhere. I know it was unofficial, but I've not found any evidence of any other type two being named in the 60s era, so its kind of special. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor H Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) http://www.rmweb.co....__fromsearch__1 Edited March 16, 2012 by Trevor H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I don't know how it acquired it, but with Lister down at Dursley, I guess somebody thought they would have a bit of fun. I also remember it been a sticker and that a spotter or somebody, had possibly had a go at removing it for their collection, as part of the "R" was missing. Trevor I think Brush Veteran has a shot of D6320 languishing in the Con Yard at Swindon, showing the remains of the vinyl sticker where someone had managed to peel most of it off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 The picture I have of it, the sticker was in good condition. I wonder if Listers had them for sticking on the larger items they made or something? I've never heard the story behind how it became named. Could well have been somebody in the Lister factory just slapped it on in the spur of the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted December 11, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 11, 2011 (edited) That seems the most logical explanation! There is another picture of it bearing the sticker attending the Aschurch altercation which occured on 8th March 1969 in which D7038 was damaged - also D156 and D1754 involved. See http://www.railwaysa...hchurch1969.pdf - unfortunatelty two fatalities. That was the weekend Abbotswood Junction box closed as the Gloucester MAS scheme was extended northwards. Cheers Phil Edited December 11, 2011 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D1059 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 The meaning of X and Z was also changed subsequently with X being generally used for specials and Z being used for trains with some sort of restriction such as loading gauge or axleweight. What period did this use of X and Z cover please ? I was always under the impression that Z was used for specials and X was either the Royal Train or otherwise out of gauge working. Certainly I've seen pics of Warships from the late 60's on engineers workings (conveying lengths of cwr) using 8X codes which is a classic out of gauge load. STEVE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 13, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2011 What period did this use of X and Z cover please ? I was always under the impression that Z was used for specials and X was either the Royal Train or otherwise out of gauge working. Certainly I've seen pics of Warships from the late 60's on engineers workings (conveying lengths of cwr) using 8X codes which is a classic out of gauge load. STEVE That's me going round umpteen years without thinking straight. As it now is, and has been for some time, you are correct with 'X; 'being the awkward stuff and 'Z' being 'ordinary' specials, and that has applied for some long time of course. But something else seemed to happen in between which I think was probably more of a mixture. The problem now is tracing the dates of the changes, which are probably longer back than I think (they usually are!!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted December 13, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2011 X denotes out of gauge or special restrictions apply including 1X01 and 5X01 for the Royal train and its e.c.s. respectively. Z is simply anything not in the WTT or (sometimes) trains operating in conditional pathways which are timetabled but for which the train itself is not allocated any other reporting number. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted December 14, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2011 I would just like to post a word of thanks and praise for Dave and Dapol. I had an issue with my D6331 (posting #678) I sent a Pm to Dave on Sunday not expecting a reply until after the W/E, but he not only replied but gave a few useful suggestions to try. After a while I found that it was the Hornby Sapphire decoder that was the problem, I slipped a Bachmann decoder in and the loco worked perfectly. The Sapphire incidently worked fine in my 3F, my feeling is that the Sapphire did not have enough oomph to deal with the susbstantial Dapol drive (but I dont realy know why?). Anyway despite lack of fuctions my '22' is running beautifully now and awaiting a TCS 21pin 6 function decoder. Superb service from Dave and Dapol, now looking forward to a CL29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted December 14, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 14, 2011 The TCS-EU621 is a fine decoder, just fitted one to a Bachmann cl47, super smooth. Only quibble, like all TCS decoders they don't have inertia set as standard. Needs a couple of CVs setting if you want the loco to behave like a Lenz equipped one. If you don't use acceleration/deceleration then fine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted December 14, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2011 Redgate As a matter of interest what settings did you use on which CVs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 D1000a (BR Blue) went out to stockists today guys. cheers Dave 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted December 14, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 14, 2011 D1000a (BR Blue) went out to stockists today guys. cheers Dave Excellent, I just an email from the retailer I ordered from to say its on the way - Just in time for Christmas 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted December 14, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 14, 2011 D1000a (BR Blue) went out to stockists today guys. cheers Dave You are a Fine Fellow, Dave, no doubt about that. Your attentiveness to your customers queries and concerns has been second-to-none and you have raised the bar for others higher than ever before. Thank you very much and I hope you have a decent and restful Christmas! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave flint Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) D1000a (BR Blue) went out to stockists today guys. cheers Dave Just puzzled as to why, knowing you were doing a western, did you use the D1000 product code on the 22s ? Might have been easier for all to save this series for the Western release, and tie them in to the actual loco number of the model. I wonder how many will want to have a model of D1000 and get a 22......... Edited December 14, 2011 by dave flint Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 I wonder how many will want to have a model of D1000 and get a 22......... That'll depend on how many people don't read retailers' descriptions. We'll prepare some invisible ink responses for them; the first four are listed below. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) Just puzzled as to why, knowing you were doing a western, did you use the D1000 product code on the 22s ? Might have been easier for all to save this series for the Western release, and tie them in to the actual loco number of the model. I wonder how many will want to have a model of D1000 and get a 22......... Yeah but imagine what happens when D1000 turns out needing to be D1030 due to a detail difference in the tooling :? ! (numbers picked out of the air, im not suggesting an actual difference between those two! ) "Yes sir you did order a D1000 and your model of D1030 is on its way.." Edited December 15, 2011 by craigwelsh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted December 15, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2011 Redgate As a matter of interest what settings did you use on which CVs? I just matched CV3 & 4 to the standard lenz settings: cv3 = 6 cv4 = 5 I'm not saying this will give a dead match to the Lenz but it's a start Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 Hi Chaps, to clear up the product codes thing. i must admit to being a bit of adolt when it comes to these things but as i read it the answer to the question is this; A couple of years back we (not me) allocated the class 22 numbers based on the spaces we had on out software system for them and they turned out to be D1000. We had no intention at the time to produce a Western and as such it wasnt taken into account, but once its 'out there' in the public domain it leads to further confusion (as if the running number change didnt ) by changing to product code. To add to this, when we changed to our Sage software accounting and ordering package, all the codes were transferred across, and sage wont let you change the numbers after they have been inputted. This means the product codes are there for life as long as you have put them on the system. We have recently changed coding to a mode user friendly (for us) 2+3+3 digit and number system and this will help us with future 'miss matches' should the possibility of them occur., but its too late for the Western, 22, 21/29 but not too late for the ..........oh sorry i havnt told you about them yet. lol cheers Dave ave 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Rhys Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 That'll depend on how many people don't read retailers' descriptions. We'll prepare some invisible ink responses for them; the first four are listed below. Sorry Andy, have to say I think the fourth one is not a reasonable response. I think you should change it to: And add a fifth one: Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 (edited) My screen is havingtrouble with the invisible ink ... I can't see it but it leaves smudges!! *Whimper!* I sympathise with Dave: I'm sure we have all had those "It seemed like a good idea at the time" moments, only to find out later that maybe we could have done things a little differently. Edited December 15, 2011 by SRman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmax Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 That's me going round umpteen years without thinking straight. As it now is, and has been for some time, you are correct with 'X; 'being the awkward stuff and 'Z' being 'ordinary' specials, and that has applied for some long time of course. But something else seemed to happen in between which I think was probably more of a mixture. The problem now is tracing the dates of the changes, which are probably longer back than I think (they usually are!!). I travelled on a 1X05 school special in 1965 so it was still in operation then. Regards Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted December 15, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2011 Just remember the D is for Dapol,not Diesel.And D1 was a Pug,not a Peak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 but not too late for the ..........oh sorry i havnt told you about them yet. lol Oh you little tease! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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