Paxton Road workbench... Point motors and such (pg13)

Paxton Road workbench... Point motors and such (pg13)

Postby jameshilton » Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:20 pm

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WORKBENCH CONTENTS:
33207 (now sold)
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08683
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08543
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33108
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57008 (now sold)
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47744 (now sold)
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33019
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58009 - coming soon!

VAA/VBA/VDA vans
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Seacows
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BDA
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OCA
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ORIGINAL FIRST POST:

Rather than clutter up my layout thread with more non-specific loco shots I thought I'd show the progress to date on my Heljan 33207 in DRS.

I bought the model on a whim (it doesn't really fit with my proposed location for Paxton Road) and was really impressed with it straight out of the box.

The prototype 33207 has a number of distinctive features that I've since tried to capture with some modicum of success I think. Oval/class 60 style buffers at one end, ETH jumpers removed (whilst in DRS ownership at least) and no marker lights.

I've not managed to remove the marker lights yet but I've modelled the other two aspects.

So shots in order:
Straight out of the box and test run:
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Unfortunately to fit the Kadees I've had to remove the Heljan screw link coupling which I was dissappointed with, but it wouldn't stay hooked up out of the way and caught the bogie. I painted the lamp irons and picked out some of the pipework on the bufferbeam in orange as per the prototype. The ETH jumpers are still fitted though - as I hadn't realised at this point they weren't present on the prototype!
At this stage I'd fitted some Shawplan class 60 buffers to model the square oval ones on one end of the prototype:
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I also ordered the Heljan sprue from Howes models with the correct fuel tank mouldings on it. Still don't understand why it comes with the wrong ones - Heljan must throw the right ones in the bin at the factory as they're on the same sprue!
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After sourcing some grey paint to match the roof I've fitted the roof aerials. I've removed the ETH jumpers and fitted as many of the air hoses as possible whilst still being able to negotiate pointwork! That meant I couldn't fit the vacuum pipe and inner air pipe. I've picked out the axle boxes in yellow and the reservoir above the fuel tank in light grey. I've also painted the underframe matt black.
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I think it's now starting to be a passable representation of the real thing which never seemed to be dirty in any of the photos I've found. Still to tackle the fibreglass roof though! Pugsley's post in this section has spurred me on but that's enough for tonight. Time for a pint!
Prototype reference photos by Rob Green:
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Constructive critisism welcome. I know I need to buy an airbrush to do some decent traffic and brake dust grime build up on the underframe, but matt black (perhaps dry brushed with rail grime) will do until then :)

I'm wondering about the coil modification next I think as per this...
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Postby The Fatadder » Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:40 pm

Looking good, Must get round to fitting the correct buffers to mine at some point....

Out of Intrest what paint was it you found which matches the roof?
Need to touch up the paint on the roof pods on mine (Why couldnt heljan fit these before painting?) and would like to get the roof grill painted the right colour as well (again why couldnt they paint it...)


Painting the underframe black rather than shiny plastic has also made quite a difference, has now been added to my todo list! (yet again why couldnt...........)


Given that you get a pair of bogie frames on the same spure as the new fuel tanks, definatly worth having a go at doing that coil mod i think
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Postby jameshilton » Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:55 pm

The Fatadder wrote:Out of interest what paint was it you found which matches the roof?

Humbrol 27 (sea grey) seems close enough so as not to be able to tell any difference on the edges of the radio pod. I had also thought about doing the fan too! Need an airbrush to do the exhaust, but need to tackle the fibreglass first!
The Fatadder wrote:Given that you get a pair of bogie frames on the same spure as the new fuel tanks, definatly worth having a go at doing that coil mod i think

I did actually start having a go as a trial and it's dead easy - the coils snap off after 3 or 4 scores with a sharp knife and the plastic glues rock solid with superglue. I'll probably tackle all 4 of the model's ones next.
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Postby Pugsley » Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:03 am

The coil mod is well worthwhile, a few minutes work drastically improves the appearance of the model. I ummed and ahhed about it for a little while with my 33, but I'm glad I took the plunge in the end.

One thing you could consider for building up underframe dirt, and exhaust staining is weathering powders. They will adhere quite to the matt black on the underframe, and should stick OK on the roof too. Even with an airbrush I still use powders for the exhaust staining as it looks far more convincing IMO.

I can heartily recommend the Mig powders, on the face of it they appear expensive but they do go an extremely long way.
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Postby jameshilton » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:14 am

Cheers for the tip on weathering powders... I've got some Carr's ones here but not tried using them yet. Will practice on the spare side frames! :) Are the ones you mention better quality?

Browsing Fotopic tonight has brought another discovery, the prototype isn't fitted with the vacuum pipes either, which makes my omission (to allow cornering) prototypical :) nice!
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Postby Pugsley » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:19 am

I couldn't tell you I'm afraid, I have no experience of the Carrs powders whatsoever. All I can suggest is give them a go and if you're not happy try some of the Mig ones.
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Postby The Fatadder » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:56 pm

Cheers for the paint recomendation, just got to find some now.....

not got any of my 33s up here with me (annoyingly) but do have a couple of spures of bogie frames, so Im going to have a go at the spring mod later.
Might have a look at adding a front to the bogie as well....
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Postby jameshilton » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:27 pm

I've noticed the Heljan model is short 4 overhead warning flashes (the ones by the cab doors)

Does anyone know where I can get these from? (or have 4 I could cover postage on? ;))

I've been trying out Carrs powders on my spare sideframes. Looks promising. Will also be having a bash at the fibreglass roof this weekend :)
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Postby The Fatadder » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:36 pm

Fox transfers will sort you out with some,
very handy things to keep about given how oftern the warning flashes are in the wrong place (or missing)

must sort out adding some to mine.
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Postby jameshilton » Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:52 am

Right, I've done the bogie modification on this side, and I've started the fibreglass roof panel:

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I'm happy with it so far - it in my eyes gives the right mottled pattern. I need to make it a bit darker now.

The bogie mod was easy - 5 minutes each. Just used a craft knife carefully to score across the top of the springs, snap them off, clean it up and then use some plasticard and superglue to mount them further inside the bogie frame. Visually makes a big difference.

Now...
Who's going to tell me I'm daft for wanting 33202 now as well! (It's all Fatadders fault, seeing the snaps of his one have got me wanting a 33/2 with snowploughs fitted!)
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Postby jameshilton » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:19 pm

Took 33207 outside this afternoon on my photographic plank! Outside natural light makes models look so much better in my eyes.

Here you can see the improvements to the bogies by moving the coils inboard, well worth it in my opinion, as well as a better shot of the different buffers on each end.
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Here you can see a better shot of the first coat of paint on the fibreglass panel. I've worked out how I'm going to make this darker now so watch for an update in the run up to Christmas :)
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Postby jameshilton » Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:17 pm

Right I've dry brushed some darker brown onto the fibreglass base coat, added some dark brown weathering powder, and used black/soot weathering powder around the exhaust (cheers for the tip off Martin).

I'm 80% happy with the result.

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Re: On my office desk! Weathering!

Postby jameshilton » Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:26 pm

Have been tinkering with my new EWS 08 and my VGA this afternoon. Weather is rubbish so these aren't the greatest photos but anyway...

The 08 has weathered cranks and exhaust plus a little fuel spillage on the roof, I've removed the extra marker lights and painted the remaining ones white as per the prototype. I've added a tail light to the front as per prototype photos. Weathering properly of the chassis and body will be based on some photos Brian kindly took for me of the shunter at Didcot. I also have to figure out how to put the rear windows back in place properly!!

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The VGA is my first attempt at heavier weathering for some time and is done purely with washes, dry brushing and powders and is again based on photos (from the excellent Wagons on the web website!! http://wagons.wordpress.com/british-wag ... tops-code/).
I'm very happy with the ends, roof and chassis - not sure about the sides yet, I think an airbrush with a very faint overspray would blend it together better.

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Re: On my workbench... Weathering!

Postby ewsjo » Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:43 pm

Nice work there. I like the VGA and the small clag dirt on the 33 in particular. Looks suitably sooty! Though the VGA is just a little too clean for my likings :wink: :) :) :wink:

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Re: On my workbench... Weathering!

Postby DRSJOE » Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:46 pm

James how did you fit the class 60 type buffers, did you have to take the original ones off?
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Re: On my workbench... Weathering!

Postby jameshilton » Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:14 pm

ewsjo wrote:Nice work there. I like the VGA and the small clag dirt on the 33 in particular. Looks suitably sooty! Though the VGA is just a little too clean for my likings :wink: :) :) :wink:

cheers

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I think I'll come back to the VGA when I've finished the others. Next up will be the PNAs. I'm shying away from the red/grey RF liveried VAA! That will need some Pugsley type fading!

DRSJOE wrote:James how did you fit the class 60 type buffers, did you have to take the original ones off?


I used Shawplan class 60 buffers (from Howes). They're cast whitemetal so perhaps not as fine as the originals but I couldn't find anywhere else to get them from. Yes you need to chop off the existing buffer body and open out the hole a little to fit the cast replacements. Worth it though! :)
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Re: On my workbench... Weathering!

Postby jameshilton » Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:23 pm

Got some photos from outside today in the grey lunchtime gloom... even so there is something about photos taken in daylight versus anything I can simulate inside, even with playing in Photoshop afterwards!

First up are shots of the VGA. Oh how cruel day light can be!! Still I like it as a first attempt and as mentioned I'll probably re-visit it at the end of the weathering jobs.
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Secondly a few cheeky shots of my new EWS 08 in the daylight :)
The chassis on this needs some weathering, and possible a bit of detailing. I plan to add some air and vacuum pipes to all my 08s as they shouldn't interfere with the kadee. More unsatisfactory is the NEM coupler height in Bachmann's pockets - far too low! Will look to rectify this at some point, although as it afflicts all locos and rolling stock apart from my 33s (note plural... more in a sec) it's not so much of a problem as it could be - at least they're all low!
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And finally my new toy! Another un-neccessary Class 33. The premise this time is either driver training or spot hired to Network Rail for some weekend engineering work.
I've already done the bogie mod (as it was so successful on 33207) by moving the coils back. The whole underframe (including the bit along the bottom of the body shell) has been painted matt black too - and the lamp irons and 'bagpipes' have been touched up as required. Still needed on this one are the roof radio pods, correct fuel tanks and a decision on ploughs (I think they'll stay off). I'll also need to do the roof panel as I did with 33207 and then the final decision will be whether to model it as named or not (as Vampire I believe).
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Express Models came through too and my new Kadees (a pair of pairs of 18s for my imminent van arrivals - more soon, and a pair or pairs of 5s for the PNAs) arrived next day delivery! amazing! :)
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Re: On my workbench... New toys!

Postby DRSJOE » Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:43 pm

how do you know what kadees to use james as i am thinking of kadees for operation but am baffeled by what type to use and uncoupling them uses magnets, sound speakers in tanks can be damaged am i right?
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Re: On my workbench... New toys!

Postby jameshilton » Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:55 pm

DRSJOE wrote:how do you know what kadees to use james as i am thinking of kadees for operation but am baffeled by what type to use and uncoupling them uses magnets, sound speakers in tanks can be damaged am i right?


If you're using them on any loco or rolling stock with NEM coupler pockets there are only 3 to choose from... No. 17, 18 and 19. The only difference is their length (the 19 is the longest). These simply clip into the pocket as per the tension locks. If the stock either has pockets at the wrong height (some Bachmann stuff I've come across) or none at all then usually you can adapt no.5s to fit with some plasticard for spacers.

That's all you should need really for UK outline stuff.

In operation, until you've played with them you've no idea how good they are! They're not very UK realistic but the handless operation and shunting is great fun - I've used them on American/Canadian outline stuff for years.
There are 3 types of magnet (I've never heard of issues with them damaging speakers in locos - but I could be wrong - unless you park the loco over the magnet for an extended period of time I can't see it being a problem anyway) - 2 permanent magnets (one below and one between the rails) and one type of electromagnet. If you're really worried you could go for the electromagnet option? Personally I wouldn't think it a problem.
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Re: On my workbench... New toys!

Postby DRSJOE » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:00 pm

Thanks james looks like im going kadee!! I never knew it was that simple. :D
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Re: On my workbench... New toys!

Postby The Fatadder » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:02 pm

Your right, it was named vampire.

Shawplan do the plates for it.
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Re: On my workbench... New toys!

Postby jameshilton » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:15 pm

The Fatadder wrote:Your right, it was named vampire.

Shawplan do the plates for it.



Where can I get them from? I looked on their site and they don't seem to do online ordering?
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Re: On my workbench... New toys!

Postby The Fatadder » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:19 pm

should be a telephone number somewhere on the site, alternativly I know fox have now started doing a couple of plates for Fraggonset 33s, not sure if they have done Vampire yet though.
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Re: On my workbench... New toys!

Postby m0rris » Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:08 am

nice work there!
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