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LNER fish trains.


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The subject of my first ever blog is more about learning as I go on this topic rather than profess to that which is already known.

Intending to further prototypical operation on the Goathland layout I have set about building fish vans. Goathland, being on the Whitby to York line must have had fish traffic. There must also be some RMWeb brotherhood members with some knowledge of this subject, who I hope to fish out and interrogate.

 

Progress so far has been sought from Peter Tatlows excellent volumes on LNER wagons. Construction of two diagram 143 vans from Parkside and a diagram 37 from scratch using products from Evergreen have been completed albeit the weathering.

Plans are afoot to build a North Eastern Railway diagram F6 and LNER diagram 23 from scratch also, as I`m quite pleased with the 23' build. I have no evidence that any of these vans ever ran over the line making it a red Herring but the picture in An Illustrated History of LNER Wagons Vol4A just cried out to be modeled.

 

Both the NER & LNER recognized the need to run fish traffic in passenger trains and this will be considered when running trains on the layout. Would the fish vans have been attached to local passenger services to coincide with the tidal landing of the local catch one wonders, and even more baffling is how would the empties have found their way back.......

 

LNER diagram 37 from plastic card.

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LNER diagram 143. By mistake these vans received 3 coats of paint. Krylon red brown primer,LNER dull teak (because I neglected to label the jar) and Precision red oxide P67. Next time I`ll just stick with the primer as it is spot on!

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The older build on the left (about the time parkside cast it on to the market) sports brushed Railmatch bauxite done in the days before airbrushing was an option, and shows the vivid difference to the Phoenix oxide. This matt paint holds weathering powder fast as can be seen on the LMS van, which also received LNER oxide. The grime covers even the worst sins.

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During a search conducted this afternoon I quite by chance came accross this photograph of Whitby yard. Having already received a reply from the website owner Mr D. Heys most kindly allowing me to reproduce it here, I waste no time.

Getting back to all things fishy, there apears to be a small rake of fish vans in this fantastic shot. My eyesight not being as good as it was I`m going to stick my neck out and say that looks like a diagram 37 second from left. This is definately good enough evidence for me!

 

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At last this has been dug out to finish it , however I have moved the build here

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Lovely vans and a nice clean build. I know what you mean about using the wrong shade,  I've just done that too (grumble). Yours look good though.

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The shade usually doesn`t matter after the grime goes on!

Although I`m finding  texture does, older models were finished with railmatch brushed straight from the jar. These however were srayed with rather thin paint. Results are very pleasing.

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Also colours varied quite a bit as paint mixing on goods stock was very much an on site job. Colour reproduction in photos is another moot point, all look great from here!

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Also colours varied quite a bit as paint mixing on goods stock was very much an on site job. Colour reproduction in photos is another moot point, all look great from here!

A rake of fitted stock only looks any good if there is a lot of variation in the oxides,bauxites and browns not forgetting the odd GWR grey one too!

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Hi, I don't think it is a Dia 37 in the photo -especially given the 1957 date. Looks like one of those double door ex NER vans to me (some went into internal service). However as fish vans were common user within the LNER group, I would expect Dia 37 to get to your station in your period. BTW did they not carry the 'N' non common user branding on their sides/end of buffer beams?

How about some of the ex NER fish vans done in whitemetal by 51L? They would surely have been around.

 

http://www.51l.co.uk/nerdf006.htm

 

Tony

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Tony, Thanks for the link I had forgotten about the 51L NER dia. F6 kit! Yes I think you're right about the van being a NER road van which were 30` overall which makes more sence, I guess one needs to be added to my list of stock to build. It shouldn't be too hard as it's not much different to the bogie van (see my gallery). 

The livery on my LNER dia.37 is copied right down to the number, from the picture in Tatlows book. It is ex-works so it is posible that the Ns were added at a later date! Further investigation has shown that most of these vans were sent north of the border. Still it's a nice model and looks great behind some non corridor stock.

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Still learning all this computer wizardry and RMweb business.

A recent question posted yesterday has brought to light some points which seem to confirm my suspicions about fish traffic being attached to passenger trains, behind the engine!!

My friend Boris who I consider an authority on all things NYMR, owns a fish crate branded

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