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Turning my thoughts to signalling, assistance welcome!


londonbus

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blog-0984242001440794586.jpgI've been travelling in the UK this week away from home, so no work on the layout, only more research and picking up some shopping (the wife didn't spot that the big suitcase was empty as I left the house.

 

I have been absorbed by the signalling at Leicester Central. The plan was always to have working signalling that, as much as my modelling skills would permit, would be as representative of the real thing as possible. I've now taken delivery of a few more books on the GCR as well as my first actual copy of Colin Walker's Main Line Lament, a book i've read and reread so many times from the library - so lots of signal spotting.

 

What I found so interesting is the array of different types of signals on the prototype.

 

A visit to the GCR brought me face to face with the following searchlight signal, looking at the workings it's one lamp with a mechanism behind which changed the aspect. At the time I didn't give it a great deal of thought.

 

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The following are at Leicester Central.

 

This is what seems to be a slightly different searchlight signal on the northern end, down platform. The signal to the left is a standard 3 aspect.

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This shows the two 3 aspect home signals at the northern bays.

 

 

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The following picture is from Nigel Tout's site (link here) the single lens searchlight is on the left. I am not 100% sure but I believe it would have shown red, yellow and green aspects. Hopefully somebody can confirm. Again I would appreciate if somebody could confirm the two smaller aspects below.... shunting signal? white?

 

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Moving to the southern end - more variety.... I am not sure what these are called (anybody) four aspect? But I think the bottom would display red / yellow / green and the top just yellow (the top yellow would show as a double yellow only). The left signal here controls the exit from the southern bay, the right hand signal the main "up" line.

 

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and two further views

 

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The exit from the other southern bay was controlled by a semaphore.... you can see the 2 x "four" aspect signals on the left...

 

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The last little surprise that I almost missed was a ground signal on the "up" approach at the north end of the station. I believe that the two far right signals control the two bays and the smaller signal at the bottom of the main line controls the access to the dead end siding?

 

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A little bit ambitious perhaps? Well today I spoke to the two very helpful gentlemen at G F Controls from whom I have just bought an 8 semaphore servo controller. It arrived next morning. This will control the upper and lower limits of the semaphore movement as well as a characteristic bounce (or not) I understand that not all signals bounced, particularly the ones closer to the signal box. But bounce looks good. This will be controlled by DCC with a Digirails DR4108.

 

For the searchlight I have already found and ordered two of these BLMA models searchlight heads from the States. They come in a pack of two so the second "spare" will form the bottom lamp of the "4" aspect which i'll try to create myself. I'll control this with a Signalist SC1 decoder. Signalist appear to do this head (as well as the 4 aspect) but the info is not particularly clear how much it is or how to order one.... It's too late for this trip anyway. But i'm intrigued to know what's available. (Edit, Paul Harman has replied quickly to my email and is able to provide the searchlight and the two lens signal heads at a very reasonable cost, LEDs fitted so I look forward to receiving them).

 

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The three aspect signals are in the post as a Berko kit (or is it Eckon?)

 

Semaphore signals will be a little bit more tricky, i've bought the Ratio LMS / BR and LNER advanced signal kits, have a simple(ish) MSE kit to have a go at. It might be a complete mess, but I have to start. Fortunately there are some very inspirational threads here so i'm quite happy to jump in at the deep end.

 

I'm really enjoying the research part of this project. The subject keeps throwing up more variety.

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londonbus.

Without going into lots of detail (I was a train driver) you must be careful with this selection of photos. 

The odd "searchlight" signals with a single lens, and the ones with two lens spaced apart, are a type of colour light alternative to semaphore signals, and NOT multi aspect colour lights (MAS) signals. They therefore worked under semaphore signal rules, and could show simultaneously a green and a yellow, as would a semaphore starter and distant positioned one above the other on the same post, seen at night.

 

The photo with the DMU appears to show 3 aspect (3 lenses) MAS signals NOT IN USE, as they are turned sideways, and are therefore of a totally different type of signalling to the other signals shown. 

 

Semaphore signals (small) with horizontal red/white/red stripes are subsiduary signals, in this case "Calling on" signals. They allowed a second train to enter an already occupied platform for the purpose of coupling up.

 

The small but otherwise normally coloured semaphores, are for routes not allowed to loaded passenger trains. As two are positioned one above the other they relate to 2 separate routes and are read: "Top to bottom = left to right".

 

If you are going to use Eckon/Berko 3 aspect i.e with 3 lenses then these are MAS type signals and should not normally be mixed with semaphores controlled by the same signalbox, as the two systems of signalling used totally different rules !!!!!

 

Best regards (Basingstoke in OO) Anthony   

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Thanks Anthony, Really useful info on the searchlights and the subsidiary, calling on signals, I didn't know the distinction between the smaller arms with the horizontal and vertical white.

 

The DMU photo is not just the signals decomissioned, virtually the whole station was, just a DMU service remained until they closed the line totally.

 

The combination of semaphore and light signals were there, at the same time. So the two questions that i've still got to get an answer to are which routes the two smaller "normal" signals controlled. The only two non-passenger routes were only accessed from the up line (i.e. the opposite side) reversing into the siding and engineering / turntable. Could these two signals be intended for the opposite reverse running?

 

The 2nd qu is what combination of lights the two lens signal would display. My understanding is that the top light is yellow, either on or off. The lower signal is red / yellow / green. However if it's mimicking a set of starter and distant then this might not be right?

 

Tremayne

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And I guess what controlled access to the two bays?

From left to right these were the routes

1) Down Goods
2) Down Slow
3) Down Fast
4) Bay 4
5) Bay 3

There is also the question of what the purpose of the disk ground signal was.

 

Here is a cropped signal plan from the Signalling Record Society...

 

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Just to wrap up these open questions I posted on the signalling forum.

 

The Question about the searchlights have been resolved HERE

 

The question about the semaphores and Bay access have been solved HERE

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The signal you took a picture of at Quorn on the GCR is a mechanical searchlight, basically a semaphore signal without an arm and with a searchlight head.

MAS signals are commonly used in absolute(semaphore) block areas, usually 2 aspect, but 3 aspect signals are used, the auto distant signals at Quorn are one example, and the 3 aspect signals at Leicester Central were probably semi automatic, the red and yellow aspects being controlled directly by the controlling signalbox, and the green aspect showing only if the next signal or all of the following signals controlled by that box are cleared.

 

Different signalling rules apply to absolute block, which can be all semaphores or a mix of semaphore and colour light, and the more modern track circuit block, which is all colour light signalling.

 

Chris

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The signal you took a picture of at Quorn on the GCR is a mechanical searchlight, basically a semaphore signal without an arm and with a searchlight head. MAS signals are commonly used in absolute(semaphore) block areas, usually 2 aspect, but 3 aspect signals are used, the auto distant signals at Quorn are one example, and the 3 aspect signals at Leicester Central were probably semi automatic, the red and yellow aspects being controlled directly by the controlling signalbox, and the green aspect showing only if the next signal or all of the following signals controlled by that box are cleared. Different signalling rules apply to absolute block, which can be all semaphores or a mix of semaphore and colour light, and the more modern track circuit block, which is all colour light signalling. Chris

 

Thanks for the information, I did have a look behind it at the time and noticed it was exactly as you described. All fascinating stuff.

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