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A Slaters chassis..........


ROSSPOP

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As you all know, in my other blog, I found a previously unfinished 4mm version of a Johnson 1P in the attic stored away and decided to finish it......
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Now that I`ve moved into 7mm modelling, but entirely GWR, I had been bitten with an LMS bug and decided to investigate the Slaters 7mm version. There were no real negative comments about such a kit that I could find, and so, I sold some stock to fund the purchase.

 

The Slaters 7mm Johnson 1P kit dates from the mid 1980`s. so it is`nt a, so called, state of the art kit. Having said that, it is supplied as a `complete kit` so no extras are needed.
It`s not supplied with a Belpair boilered option , but I`m happy to build her as an LMS 1930`s push-pull version in beautiful all black with intermediate passenger livery and a few polished brass bits!!!!

 

She will be No 1260 based at Bedford , my home town.

 

 

 

Way back in the early 1980`s I discovered for myself at least that sprung hornblocks provided a most reliable way of improving loco performance whereby all wheels are on the track despite any track irregularities. I think it also maximises electrical pickup provided the right type of pickups are fitted. I have carried this preference forward into 7mm construction. I also like the idea of using the loco coupling rods as a jig for establishing accurate axle and hornblock alignment at all times which in turn eliminates all those hours wasted trying to find out why a chassis binds or works in one direction better than the other.....for me at least it means I can get it right everytime.....

 

With this slaters kit,however, I was unable to follow this tried and tested method in full. The kit makes up into a fully sprung system, but the hornblocks are etched foldup tabs as part of the chassis etchings and do not have any form of screw adjustment to ride height either....... so new territory for me ......

 

 

 

 

 

I decided to begin with making the rear bogie as a way of assessing the kits accuracy and also discover any failings on my part in making up the Slaters hornblocks
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The bogie hornblocks differ from the main chassis as the hornblocks are assembled by soldering on the axle box guides as seperate units

 

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However, if you take your time at each stage and read the instructions making sure everything moves freely with NO SLOP, you will find few problems that can`t be solved with a minimum of fettling.

 

 

 

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I think it makes up into a very clever designed sprung bogie mechanism. with both axles at 90degrees to the chassis with no lateral axle movement. A very free running set up.

 

I opted for black foam between the two brass washers instead of the plasticard provided as an extra level of adjustment.

 

The only problem encountered was a wrong drill size written in the instructions.

 

 

 

 

 

So... on to the main chassis fret..............
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As already mentioned, the hornguides are attached to the chassis etch and the instructions suggested folding and soldering these first before bending the main chassis into its U shape.

 

I did`nt feel this suited me at all and chose another way..........

 

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I opted to fold the chassis sides first and then fold up the hornblocks as there is plenty of room between the frames to solder easily. I had also at this stage made up the coupling rods to check on the accuracy by lining them up with the fixed spring stop etch...... all looked to be accurate.....

 

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After reaming the axle boxes and preparing the main drivers I assembled the coupling rods and was amazed and pleased that the chassis ran absolutely faultlessly with no fettling of the rods required. No slop at all and a very free running design.

 

Still plenty of detail to be added later on but now I have a solid chassis to work with I will now proceed with the loco body and make sure every thing lines up.......

 

 

 

These are my preferred sprung hornblocks, although the plastic Slaters have been upgraded and are not adjustable...

 

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I prefer to make coupling rods first and then after cutting out the frames use them with a Metalsmiths axle jig to solder everything in place........

 

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Thank you for recording all this work with good text and photos.  I am tackling a similar project, a David Andrews' Midland Compound and have decided to add Laurie Griffin's working inside motion.  For this to work it seems I must use hornblocks, even if not sprung, just so that the cranked axle can be easily removed for fine tuning, maintenance, etc.  Having gone this far I suppose I may as well also add the springing.  I have had mixed results with sprung hornblocks in 4mm scale (Comet chassis for Royal Scot worked well) and so far my 7mm chassis have been unsprung 0-6-0s with excellent running/pickup results.

 

Have you considered a Poppy's 7mm Loco Builder Box?

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Hi Focalplane

 

Yes I have considered Poppy`s builder box and have followed it on Tony Wrights blog, but I`m a modeller of habit and once I find a reliable method that suits me I tend to stick to that. It looks very usefull though......

 

In both 4mm and now 7mm I use Metalsmiths axle jig and Hobby holidays sprung hornblocks  and Slaters plastic version ,although these have been upgraded but in my view are now useless to me...

 

I like David Andrews kits I`m halfway into his GWR Castle kit but he does`nt seem to produce any small LMS locos so I`m loooking at a Gladiator LMS 2P (Lemon) 4-4-0 tank or maybe another Slaters 0-6-0 half cab......

 

I`l add some more pics........

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Thank you RossPop,

 

Your post is most informative: it is helpful to see the construction of the chassis so clearly. I shall be starting one of these very soon in ScaleSeven, having just sent off a Slater's 1F to be painted and lined. Both Locos are for the Dewsbury Goods layout at the HMRS Museum and Study Centre at Butterley, for which volunteers are building a suite of locos and wagons. 

 

Keep up the good work,

 

Colombo

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Thanks Colombo ,your comments are much appreciated.

 

The 1P is a slightly better kit than the 1F. Although they originate from the 1980`s they can be made to look really good.

 

should be easy to make to S7 standards.

 

You should write up your build maybe ??

 

John

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