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3. Kadee's Man


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Kadee Couplings! For those that don’t know, they’re a more realistic looking coupling for model railways than the usual bulky tension lock ones we get on most models in the UK. They are made by an American company called Kadee (pronounced Kay-Dee as in K & D). Kadee just look more like something you’d expect to see on a train, and allow coaches and wagons to run closer together.

 

I ordered a selection of Kadee’s for NEM pockets from Hattons, along with the rod magnets I’d ordered from First4Magnets. Testing has been done on a siding and I'm pretty happy with my version of a budget delayed action magnetic decoupler. Also it turns out that I what I thought were modern models fitted with NEM pockets for interchangeable couplings, are in fact not-so-modern models with the older, bigger clip-in style pockets. I've ordered some Dapol wagons from Hattons which I'm assuming/hoping will have NEM pockets. Either way, I'll be testing as we go.


I was slightly disheartened initially as I thought I would have to order the underset gearbox style Kadee's, but some fettling with a drill has produced modified Kadee 18's, 19's & 20's that should fit both Hornby pockets and NEM pocket if I want to swap things around down the line.

 

I have also bought the Kadee coupling gauge, which really is a necessity to set the decoupling pins height accurately. I found that this made more difference to reliability than the height of the magnets under the track. Half the Kadee's required pin bending once fitted to rolling stock; I didn't use the official bending pliers but just grabbed each end of the pin with pliers in each hand and gently bent the pins up or down. You almost don't know you've done it, it's very subtle.

 

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Here are two couplings fitted, with decoupling magnets fitted just under the track after much trial and error.  3mm holes were drilled in the top of the board and the magnets simply push in. There's plenty of grip to hold them in place but I think I'll use a drop of PVA going forwards to make it more permanent.  I only drilled through the top surface of the Ikea Linnmon tables I'm using for base boards, which is fine until you realise really need to push the magnets up from underneath to raise or remove them - hence the massacred sleepers from much grappling with pliers!

 

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The magnets in question - bought from First4Magnets.co.uk, arrived very quickly!

 

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A Kadee 18 modified to fit a Hornby pocket, and a comparison with the original Hornby tension lock. My process:

 

  1. Put the Kadee's swallow tail in a vice and drill a 2mm hole between the forks of the swallow tail, right where they meet at the knuckle end. I found the drill bit located itself in the right place, right at the tip of the V.
  2. Drill a 1.5mm hole at the base of the T piece of solid plastic, between the knuckle and the 2mm hole you just drilled.
  3. Use a Stanley or craft knife to cut through the plastic between the two new drill holes.
  4. Push into the Hornby pocket!  The 2mm hole should "click" locate around the shaft in the socket, the 1.5mm hole and knife cut allows the additional flex.

 

I found this works for Hornby pockets but not for the similar pocket on a Dapol GWR grain wagon, there was too much vertical wiggle room. A bit of glue or packing would fix this, but I'm trying to find ways to keep things both glue-free and semi permanent. I don't actually have much use for that wagon anyway...

 

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Two types of modified Kadee's fitted to each end of the Hornby auto coach, Kadee 18 on the left, Kadee 19 on the right, the latter giving an extra mm or so of clearance.  The modified 18 seems to be the best all-rounder and fits most of the Hornby non-NEM stock. Both coupled to the same butchered Kadee screwed onto a 6 plank wagon - see below.

 

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This was a Kadee 19 with swallow tails removed and a 1.5mm hole drilled through the centre of the T plastic. It was tricky to drill close enough to the knuckle so that the coupling would be nice and close, but without the head of the screw touching the knuckle which would stop it from pivoting freely and self centring on its little springs. I failed on the other end of this wagon. In future I will err on the side of leaving too much space between hole and knuckle, then file it into a slot if I need adjustment later.  I could have left the swallow tails attached - they actually rub on the axle slightly which might help stop the wagon rolling towards the magnets when decoupled. Might try that down the line if needed.

 

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I also had to file down the end of the stanchion that holds the coupling screw, as this was also rubbing on the knuckle and preventing it from self-centring.

 


In other news, most of the track is ready to glue down now, I'm just waiting for steel wire to finish the station crossover switching, and the cable to finish the electrics under the boards. I will go through both in detail in subsequent posts.

 

Oh and finally, as a random side project I'm trying to create a removable 5 plank wagon load using clingfilm. There is an M10 steel nut hurried in the ballast to add some weight, and the whole lot is being set using the trusty PVA/water mix... who knows if it'll work, lets see.

 

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How have you found the Kadees for uncoupling whilst running over the magnets, I found they could uncouple at random occasionally and upon investigation it appears the wagons slightly “shunt” and it’s enough to uncouple, my solution was to basically stuff a little piece of soft foam between one axle and the chassis to give just a very slight drag and this cured it completely, I think thenUK type four wheel wagons are just too light, and I notice that kadee recommend a minimum weight for each piece of rolling stock to negate this.

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Decoupling seems to be ok for me with this setup, but I've had issues far away from the magnets with the wagon bouncing away from the train when trying to couple. Similarly to your rogue decoupling issue, I think the Kadee's need a minimum rolling resistance so that the loco isn't ramming the wagon at 30mph just to get the knuckles to engage!  Coupling and decoupling is certainly a much more positive action when the wagon has a weight to it, it's the reason I'm attempting to make a removable weighted wagon load.


The "foam brake" solution sounds great - I'll give that a try. I've used adhesive foam tape for padding out sound practical props in my theatre day job... perhaps that would be a good product for sticking between wagon axles? Link below:

 

https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/foam-tapes/2050877/

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Haha I still have a half roll of that RS tape in the shed somewhere, probably lost its stick by now.....I actually used a thin slice of foam from the top thin layer of packing in a Dapol Loco box, maybe about 4mm square and quite “spongy”, as for the uncouplers I used two small neo bar magnets from the same place, as I am using Trix-C track they fit invisibly under the track bed.

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Nice! I had never heard of Trix-C, just had a google - looks like great stuff!

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Glad to hear you have discovered Kadees.  IMO they are really superior to other couplers.  I actually dislike the NEM Kadees because they are pretty clunky despite being easy to install.  I see you have been bodging some wagons with these.  Good to see.  I think the draft gearbox type (#5 and the others) look better but do require slightly more effort to install.

 

I never liked the permanent magnet for uncoupling.  A couple of these were tried at the club but resulted in random uncoupling so they got ripped out.  My preference was the old fashioned skewer.

 

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9 hours ago, brossard said:

Glad to hear you have discovered Kadees.  IMO they are really superior to other couplers.  I actually dislike the NEM Kadees because they are pretty clunky despite being easy to install.  I see you have been bodging some wagons with these.  Good to see.  I think the draft gearbox type (#5 and the others) look better but do require slightly more effort to install.

 

I never liked the permanent magnet for uncoupling.  A couple of these were tried at the club but resulted in random uncoupling so they got ripped out.  My preference was the old fashioned skewer.

 

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John, Pretty sure the random uncoupling can be cured (did for me) by either adding weight (Kadee recommend a minimum weight) or add a slight drag like the sponge, works perfectly after.

 

I thought all Kadees were the same size once past the draw box?

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10 hours ago, GWL said:

Nice! I had never heard of Trix-C, just had a google - looks like great stuff!

It’s really good track, very robust and designed for hundreds of snapping together and apart, the electrical connection system is very robust and so much so I have not bothered (nor wanted to) fit a “ring main” with droppers, too much faffing around.

 

I debated whether to use Kato track for the 4mm layout as I used it for my 2mm layout and it’s been brilliant, but I found the 4mm Kato didn’t have as many points variations as Trix-C.

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3 hours ago, boxbrownie said:

John, Pretty sure the random uncoupling can be cured (did for me) by either adding weight (Kadee recommend a minimum weight) or add a slight drag like the sponge, works perfectly after.

 

I thought all Kadees were the same size once past the draw box?

 

You might be correct about weight.  As I said, a bamboo skewer worked great for me.  A low tech solution.

 

Just before exiting 00 for 0 about 4 years ago, I was experimenting with "finescale" Kadees.  These have smaller heads but are only available in the draft gearbox configuration.  For example:  https://www.kadee.com/ho-scale-couplers-c-274_276_284/156-ho-scale-whisker-scale-metal-couplers-with-gearboxes-long-2564-centerset-shank-p-303.htm

 

The track that you run on must be to a fine standard (ie flat) for finescale couplers to work.

 

John

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I have enough trouble refitting the springs when they decide to evacuate in the normal couplers! 

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I have one stewing at the moment, after many attempts I decided to add a minuscule drop of glue to one end, it’s now drying while I gather the stamina to try and fit the other end without it pinging off into that place we never know these little bits go to......

 

oops, sorry for the blog hijack :blush:

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Well Kadee have a tool for installing springs.  You can also use a #10 Xacto.  If the glue runs you could have a mess.  Good luck.

 

John

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I’ve got some ultra fine curved tweezers which end in needle points so that’s not the issue, it’s my banana fingers that’s the problem!  I’ve used some non runny slow drying glue, the merest drop.....we will see.

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My challenge here is which ones? 

I have mostly newer Hornby stock with NEM pockets.  I only really worry about uncoupling a rake from a loco so what's best for Southern region pre- nationalisation in the UK?

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If you are going to have fixed rakes, you don't even need Kadees other than at the loco end.  I discovered Tony Wright's system in one of his DVDs and it is described here:

 

I used it on several rakes and it does work extremely well.  There's a picture of some of my coaches in Tony's thread too.

 

John

 

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32DD2F07-CD25-4C98-86D6-D9C9B7E8DCD3.jpeg.aa921bb3f81fd036a80a50dcc7aa7886.jpegIf the carriages have NEM pockets you can just use the Bachmann solid link bars, they have a dip in the centre to represent vac/steam pipes, and if the carriages also have close coupling it retains that as well.

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Is there an affordable product out there for fixed wagon rakes? There is a shapeways option but gets a bit pricy with a long lead time from the US. I could buy Kadees and chop off of the arms but it feels wasteful for an expensive coupling.

 

The Bachmann 78035 NEM EZ Mate couplings are half the price (though not in stock anywhere right now), and although I've read they're not as good as Kadees perhaps they're ideal candidates for having their arms chopped off for use as non-decoupleable couplings... am I making sense?

My 3d printer is stuck at work, but I'm going to try to arrange to collect it so that I can design and print my own flexible 3 link NEM semi-permanent couplings I think...

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Can you not use those Bachmann solid links if it’s for a fixed rake and NEM sockets?

 

I think Hornby do similar as well but not with the “drop brake pipes” effect.

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Love the layout.  Kadee are great for shunting and shunting puzzles.  Be careful where you place the magnets for uncoupling.  They must be a) on straight track and b) far enough away of any point such that all wagons and locos have completed their traversing over-swing – you will be surprised just how far that is for some locos and bogie wagons!

 

I agree the foam under axel adds just enough rolling resistance for Kadees to work when shunting light weight wagons.

 

For fixed rakes, try Hunt Couplings, these are magnetic couplings for NEM pockets (and a screw fix version).  I have just invested in some and am really impressed, especially for coaches which have the auto close coupling NEM devise.  Also great for any wagon set you do not expect to shunt.  https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/151728-hunt-coupling-system/

 

A good price, just be patient on stock levels, I reckon they are coming straight off the 3D printer and into the post pox ;-).

 

Keep the update coming!

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