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I’ve built a GWR horse-drawn station bus using a modified and detailed P&D Marsh kit.

 

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A colourized postcard showing omnibuses in the station forecourt at Minehead. A perusal of period photos suggests that the outside seating wasn’t necessarily the last choice option – on sunny days at least!

 

 

 

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The forecourt at Teignmouth. Lettering on the door shows the fare and “A. Harvey (?), Proprietor”. Many horse-drawn station bus services were operated by individual entrepreneurs, nearby fashionable hotels, or local agents for the railway companies. Actual GWR-owned station buses certainly existed but were, I suspect, a minority.

 

 

 

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Old and new at Helston. The GWR’s first motor-driven road service was introduced at Helston in 1903, signalling the beginning of the end for horsedrawn omnibuses. The horse-drawn bus on the right served a local hotel.

 

 

 

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Phillip Kelley’s two volumes on GWR road vehicles feature a small but useful selection of photo and drawings of GWR horsedrawn buses. Online, a couple of rather interesting GWR omnibuses can be found here (scroll down). An agent-operated GWR service can be seen on the Fairford pages here. For non-GWR omnibuses, Gail Thornton’s website is interesting.

 

 

 

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The P&D Marsh kit is a fairly simple affair but does represent an actual prototype built by the GWR in 1894. There's a Swindon drawing of it in Kelley’s “Great Western Road Vehicles Appendix”. Towards the end of the build I realised that I had overlooked an actual photo of the vehicle in Kelley’s main volume (“Great Western Road Vehicles” p.29). 

 

 

 

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Assembly of the body leaves you with somewhat unsightly corners, as Mike also commented in his build back in 2013.

 

 

 

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Repeated applications of filler and sanding helped, followed by primer.

 

 

 

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The basic components result in a reasonable overall representation of the original vehicle. 

 

 


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Bringing it to this stage was a fairly quick exercise, but I decided to add some detailing.

 

 

 

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First step was some simple seating and glazing. The interior may or may not have been more lavish, but with the roof on very little is visible. 

 

 

 

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The kit’s roof casting is rather thick and does not reflect the pattern on the prototype. A replacement was made by laminating two layers of thin styrene, the top layer being a grid pattern drawn up in Inkscape and printed on my Silhouette.

 

 

 

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This was fixed with superglue, with temporary holes to allow the fumes to escape so they don’t frost the glazing.

 

 

 

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Luggage rails were fitted using 0.5 mm straight brass wire. Later I removed the front rail, as I discovered that the prototype didn’t have it. Same thing can be seen on some other omnibuses. Forward-sliding luggage not a problem on slow-breaking vehicles?

 

 

 

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The drawing and photo show what initially looks like a ladder at the rear. Closer inspection shows it to be three vertical rails with no apparent rungs. My best guess is that they are guard-/guiderails for raising and lowering heavy luggage to and from the roof without damaging the sides. Unless anyone knows better? Anyway, I fitted them using more brass wire. Also seen is the rear passenger step. The one provided in the kit is rather crude and doesn't match the drawing, so I made a simple replacement. The step could be folded down and away for stowage during transport.

 

 


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Discovery of the prototype photo led to some unpleasant surprises. I had overlooked horisontal bolections along the sides and ends, so they were retrofitted using thin wire. There are also what looks like ventilation louvres above the windows (or rainstrips?), these were indicated using thin strips of styrene. 

 

 


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I fashioned a pair of coach lamps using old loco lamps from the scrap box, fitted with bits from my tin of watchmakers’ spares. No particular prototype, just a nod to a certain type seen in some photos.

 

 

 

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Lettering and insignia will have to wait. The prototype photo shows the vehicle in factory finish in 1894, with sans-serif “Great Western Railway” below the windows in quite a small font size (smaller than on goods cartage vehicles), and a simplified garter behind the wheels. My printer can’t do such small lettering to a satisfying standard, so I’ll leave it unlettered until I find one that can.

 

 

 

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The bus will be parked in the station forecourt at Farthing, with passengers outside. So I decided to add some luggage. The prototype photo shows leather straps (or similar) fitted to the luggage rails, so I painted some thin masking tape to imitate this. 

 

 

 

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I'm not sure about the principles for how luggage was packed on omnibus rooves. Photos suggest pragmatic solutions.

 

 

 

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I replaced the horse in the kit. I first painted up the mare on the left, but decided it was more of a goods type. So an exchange was made with the pretentious type on the right. Both are from Dart Castings.

 

 

 

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I normally go with matt varnish for my horse-drawn vehicles, but couldn't resist a satin finish in this case. 

 

 

 

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I'm pondering my choice of driver. Current offerings aren't that good, so will probably modify a seated passenger. No reins, too impractical with my current layout arrangements.

 

 

 

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So that's yet another horse-drawn vehicle for Farthing. Good thing I've got a big stable block! There are plans afoot for an early motor bus, but that's another story.

 

 

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2 hours ago, davidbr said:

Do you think this could be adapted and made in to more of a stage coach?  It's an ABS kit, ex-Varney.

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http://www.kwtrams.co.uk/productdisplay/r152-mail-coach

 

Brilliant Website.  I think, and I am open to correction, that if I took the roof off that I would be more than halfway to the tourist coach, or I could use it straight as it is.  On the other hand what about this?

 

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http://www.kwtrams.co.uk/productdisplay/r151-horse-drawn-omnibus

 

It also has transfers for adverts, mostly too late for us but very interesting.  It has power bogies as well!

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Dioramas (and panoramas) were quite the rage as tourist attractions - 12"/ft modelling, but exploiting all the illusions of perspective modelling etc. So it would be quite appropriate to have a 'bus so branded on your diorama...

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That led me down a rabbit hole, as I was unaware of the original meaning of the term diorama. 

 

If I was a 7mm modeller I'd be tempted to see what could be done with this 1886 London omnibus from the Matchbox Models of Yesterday range. It's never easy to find out what scale they are, but several sites claim it is 1:43 (don't take my word for it though). Prices on e-bay vary widely but some are just above 20 GBP.

 

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Thanks Nick, some interesting vehicles on there.

 

The subject in your link shows a flat board and footrest for rooftop passengers. Very basic! Unless the original upholstery has been removed.

 

 

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Here is a very similar horse bus/carriage that was used to shuttle passengers between the Swan Hotel and the GWR station at Tenbury. I have no idea whether it was owned by the GWR or the hotel - or both. It famously plied this trade until I believe the 1920's. As can be seen in this image, it was also dressed-up for the annual carnival. These type of carriages alway look to me like truncated hearses....! 😊

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Sometimes it is hard to see the actual hotel? conveyance! My grandparents on their honeymoon, could help with dating Edwardian clothing & headgear, I suppose. Good detail of the horse harness.

 

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1 hour ago, Methuselah said:

.....I think we need a ModelU horse in harness....!

 

I favour Dart castings for horses. The white metal makes them more - oh dear! - I was going to say stable. 

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1 hour ago, phil_sutters said:

I favour Dart castings for horses. The white metal makes them more - oh dear! - I was going to say stable. 

 

I've bought a selection of 4mm whitemetal figures. They are in period clothing and are quite nice. However......there is just something intangibly more real about 3D figures produced from whole-body scans. They just look spookily real. At the moment, these are still rather expensive. This may change, as a single dataset from a scan can be used to produce an infinite number of printed figures. Hopefully, the actual printing will get cheaper. I have a laser-scanner, but at some point, I can see I'm going to have to buy a printer. Thankfully, the printers get better and cheaper every year.

 

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1 hour ago, Methuselah said:

 

 At the moment, these are still rather expensive. 

 

Have you looked at the Scale3D range? They don't yet do any Edwardian or Victorian figures as such, but quite a number of their 30s,40s, 50s  figures can be used. They don't seem to advertise in the railway modelling press. They have a number of wargaming ranges, so perhaps that is where they are better known. Their figures start at £1.99. Some are at £2.49 and I can't quite see why they are different. Their website isn't the easiest to negotiate. Make sure, if you do order that you have clicked the correct scale, as they do a large number of different scales.

This will take you to their 30s, 40s & 50s range. Also check their new arrivals as there a some posher folk recently added, that might appeal.

https://www.scale3d.co.uk/collections/1930-40-50s-figures?page=1

I am a very satisfied customer - but not otherwise connected to the company.

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Thanks for these lovely photos, they are especially welcome as there were some very nice similar photos earlier in the thread that are now gone as a result of the Great Image Loss.

 

On the subject of railway hotels, the article by Simmons that I mentioned earlier discusses how the railways were initially cautious to enter this business, until the London & Birmingham led the way in London, inspired by the Americans. The article is attached here, I found it an interesting read.

 

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On 14/01/2022 at 11:24, Bluemonkey presents.... said:

Mikkel this is lovely and some very nice additional touches. Love the lamps what part of a watch are those?

Have you seen the book by Janet Russell;

Great Western Horse Power 

ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 086093425X

ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-0860934257

Some decent material here as well although what you have more than likely covers everything you require.

 

Sorry Matt, I was looking for something here and realised that I seem to have missed your post back then. Not sure what part of a watch the coach lamps were from. They came from this lot off ebay many years ago (thanks as ever to Missy for that great tip).

 

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It has provided parts of all sorts of things, gears for cranes, cab spectacles etc. You can still find such things on ebay (e.g. here), though it all seems more organised and pricey now!

 

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On 14/01/2022 at 10:24, Bluemonkey presents.... said:

Mikkel this is lovely and some very nice additional touches. Love the lamps what part of a watch are those?

Have you seen the book by Janet Russell;

Great Western Horse Power 

ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 086093425X

ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-0860934257

Some decent material here as well although what you have more than likely covers everything you require.

Thanks for drawing my attention to this excellent book. I have just bought a copy from World of Books - second-hand for £8.49 including p&p. While looking for a copy I saw some at massively unaffordable prices. 

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1 hour ago, phil_sutters said:

While looking for a copy I saw some at massively unaffordable prices. 

2nd hand book pricing is a nightmare.  I usually scan ABE books to get a feel for prices but descriptions of condition can be very variable too. On the plus side, I recently bought a facsimile edition of Measom's 1851 guide to the GWR for £3.04 including postage and it looks like new!!!  It' remarkable for its illustrations of many early stations.

 

Don't forget the Internet archive for free downloads of many out-of-copyright old books.

 

Mike

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On 27/03/2023 at 11:38, MikeOxon said:

2nd hand book pricing is a nightmare.  I usually scan ABE books to get a feel for prices but descriptions of condition can be very variable too. On the plus side, I recently bought a facsimile edition of Measom's 1851 guide to the GWR for £3.04 including postage and it looks like new!!!  It' remarkable for its illustrations of many early stations.

 

Don't forget the Internet archive for free downloads of many out-of-copyright old books.

 

Mike

Thanks. I am familiar with Abe. I have just ordered a rather niche volume from them - Flying for Fun in the Southern Marches - £4.25 inc.p&p . My great uncle Percy was a gliding enthusiast in Herefordshire between the wars, having been a despatch rider with the RFC in Egypt, in the latter years of WW1. In the second world war he trained assault glider pilots. So I will be interested to see if he is mentioned.

The Archive is something I need to explore. So thanks for that.

 

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That looks really nice Mikkel, I suppose that you could ddo it in any company livery you liked really. 

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28 minutes ago, phil_sutters said:

Thanks. I am familiar with Abe. I have just ordered a rather niche volume from them - Flying for Fun in the Southern Marches - £4.25 inc.p&p . My great uncle Percy was a gliding enthusiast in Herefordshire between the wars, having been a despatch rider with the RFC in Egypt, in the latter years of WW1. In the second world war he trained assault glider pilots. So I will be interested to see if he is mentioned.

The Archive is something I need to explore. So thanks for that.

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Bromyard Downs....?

 

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On 27/03/2023 at 14:53, Methuselah said:

Bromyard Downs....?

 

It may be. There is no location on that photo. There are a couple of photos taken when Percy and his family went to see the 'sailplane ace' Herr Krauss at Broadway, Worcestershire. So it could be there. I have taken down the photos as I realise that I was 'blog bombing' - putting my stuff into someone's blog. Taking a tangent off a public thread is one thing. Barging into a personal blog with big irrelevant photos is impolite. Apologies, Mikkel.

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Hi Phil, no apology needed, for me the blog discussions are like the forum threads, people can post what they like. And your stuff is always interesting anyway!

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On 27/03/2023 at 14:53, Methuselah said:

Bromyard Downs....?

 

I now have my book on 'Flying for fun in the southern Marches'. The recently formed South Shropshire and North Herefordshire Gliding Club, in 1930, started operating in a large field by the River Lugg at the foot of Dinmore Hill. This is where the photo of my great-uncle, Percy Pritchard, was taken in October 1930. The book, by Tony Hobbs, has two other photos of the meeting and one of Percy's car towing the folded Dagling Primary glider to the site. The club had been disbanded by the Spring of 1931.

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