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The Long Haul


Silver Sidelines

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It would be January 2021 when Bachmann introduced their 94xx models.  I bought the basic version.  It had a lovely copper cap to its chimney and it ran perfectly without any trace of a wobble.  Three years later and I have just purchased a sound fitted version.


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Bachmann 9479 – 32-27SF

 

I have titled this Post ‘The Long Haul’ in recognition of the time that I have spent in recent weeks changing CVs to enable the engine to run on analogue.  It would help if I knew what I was doing!  The 94xx has a coreless motor which is super efficient.  As a result the engine needs a whole different range of CV values to the ones I would usually apply.  I would say it is still a work in progress.  However I would say work is sufficiently advanced that I would give the engine a run around the layout.


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Hornby Bow Ended Colletts

 

What carriages might be suitable?  I had rake of Hornby Bow Ended Colletts parked up in a siding.  These arrived on the layout in June 2021, so not long after the Bachmann 94xx.  Why were they parked up?  Ah well a quick trip around the layout reminded me that one of the coaches had a tendency to leave the track.  After exiting a section of curved track the leading bogie was reluctant to rotate and would jump the track.


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The offending Bow Ended Brake Coach

 

These Hornby coaches are super detailed models.  Perhaps a little light weight.  I have close coupled my set using Roco 40270 couplers.  Now why don’t they stay on track?


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Hornby Coupling Mechanism Exposed!

 

Removing the suspect coach from the track confirmed that the offending bogie did not always rotate smoothly.  With the coach upside down on the kitchen table the bogie could be popped out of its housing with the blade of small screw driver.  To fully investigate the close coupling mechanism it is then necessary to remove the keeper plate which is held in place with two screws.

 

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Bogie and Keeper Plate


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How straight is your Keeper Plate?


On first inspection my keeper plate was bent in the middle and rubbing against the underlying close coupling mechanism.  A quick massage to straighten the plastic and ‘all sorted’ – so I thought.  Well it was nearly very good, especially after I had smeared it all with Vaseline.  Sadly a little later and the leading coach was still leaving the track.
The coach and the Close Coupling Mechanism was given a further closer inspection.  Studying the mechanism at the opposite end of the coach suggested a possible cause.

 

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Stepped Close Coupling Cam


Operation of the close coupling mechanism relies on a ‘Cam’.  I have retrofitted such a mechanism to a Mainline Buffet car and simply cut a Cam shaped opening in the coach floor.


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Home Made ‘Cam’ for Mainline RB


Hornby however have made a stepped cam to accommodate the protruding ‘tooth’ which is used to hold the mechanism up against the coach floor.

 
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Hornby Mechanism with tooth.


Comparing the two mechanisms from opposite ends of the coach showed that the faulty mechanism had a much larger tooth which was presumably interfering with the smooth rotation of the bogie.  A few quick cuts with a craft knife to shorten the ‘tooth’ and the issue was sorted.


Now how does the 94xx perform with its rake of Bow Ended Colletts on analogue?  I would say rather well!

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, franciswilliamwebb said:

The firebox flicker looks particularly effective in that video👍

 

Thanks for the interest.

 

It's great isn't it.  Even my sister commented.  It is such a smooth runner, quite a contrast to the 15xx from thoses other people.

 

Cheers Ray

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The Hornby pullmans have a similar mechanism and mine were also derailing in the same way. I found that there was roughness on the upperside of the cam that prevented it rotating smoothly. sanding off these rough edges sorted the problem for me. 

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On 14/04/2024 at 20:46, ikcdab said:

The Hornby pullmans have a similar mechanism and mine were also derailing in the same way.

 

Thank you for that confirmation.  I suspected that Hornby would have used a standard design and there must be many more coaches out there with similar problems.  The use of the 'lip' or step on the cam seems an unnecessary complication but might mean that Hornby can use the same close coupling mechanism over their whole range of coaches.  In contrast Bachmann had to make different couplers for their Mk1 and Mk2 coaches to accommodate different thicknesses of coach floor.

 

I started off by trying to smooth the inside lip of the cam.  It was only then that I realised that the rubbing 'post' on the close coupling mechanism was no where near touching on the cam because the tooth  was poking out too far.

 

Regards  Ray

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Loved the video - agree about the firebox flicker (I’d assumed such things were only for DCC - nice to see them on an analogue British model).  Could I ask, does the sound on DC work by responding to the voltage (and hence speed) of the locomotive?  On some of the US models I’ve seen that are set to run on either DC or DCC there is sound on DC but not the full range of additional functions, so I just wondered.

 

With regards to the couplings, with my European stock (where kinematic close coupling is normal) I think the little ‘tooth’ serves to stop the coupler from drooping (If I’m understanding what happened here correctly).  A few of the coaches I’ve bought arrive with the coupler sagging as the tooth has popped out - easily fixed by popping it back into place.  Does that help?
 

Like the look of the layout - will follow with interest.  Hadn’t realised at first but I read about it a while back, before the branch terminus became a through station (the poppy seed ballast was the clue), Keith.
 

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Thanks Keith, yes I would guess the tooth is there to keep the mechanism lifted up..  Trouble is that in this one case the tooth was too long and catching in the channel above the Cam.  Easily sorted when you realise.

 

With regards to sound on analogue most LokSound and Zimmo sound chips are set up to play basic sounds and a selection of random sounds when running under analogue control.  Raising the analogue input voltage moves the chip to the next speed step increasing the speed of the motor and moving the output to the next sound slot.  A little patience is needed to adjust the chip settings for analogue running to match the voltage conditions on an individual layout.  Hornby TTS sound does not play on ananlogue.

 

Yes the poppy seeds, keep looking, they haven't sprouted yet.

 

Regards  Ray

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