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Sprat and Winkle observations


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Here they are! Sprat & Winkle on the left (on a Ratio kit) and the usual tension lock coupling on the right on my new Hornby 6 wheel LNWR coach. I like the look of the S&Ws , and when I have got around to buying some metal blackener they should look even better. Mikkel has some better photos and videos of them on his Farthing layout  (if only I knew how to insert a link to them) which show just how much better they look, compared to tension locks, when viewed from a low angle when the hooks are partly hidden behind the buffers.
With my tight curves I have to stick to the larger hooks (AC3/1 : 3&4mm) but even then I seem to have issues.. 

 

IMG_1331.jpeg.606f274b49502dcff673c9bc30087b7c.jpegHere are the couplings on my 4 wheel coaches on a radius 2 curve where you can see how the outer hook is at full stretch. This doesn’t matter if you are rolling along but it does mean that you cannot uncouple on a bend, or at least you can’t uncouple vehicles of this length. Shorter vehicles - ie wagons - are okay as the difference in angle is less severe.. which I shall try to show in a few minutes. (Or seconds, depending on how fast you are reading this)

 

IMG_1330.jpeg.6780fa03d18a3d4657d631afaf200df8.jpegHere are the couplings on the straights, to show how the hooks are angled away from each other. 
 

IMG_1329.jpeg.b62b06f8c7c302f76dd9e9f621600d7c.jpegAnd this shows the coaches on a severe S bend (two Setrack points joined together). This is where I had the most issues on my Handcross layout and is something which I was keen to avoid when designing my Fencote track plan. Luckily with Handcross, coaches did not really need to traverse this bit of track as it led to the goods yard so it could have been worse. 
 

IMG_1327.jpeg.0a514673c392222794d8fd05c6cdb424.jpegHere is a small wagon on the same S bend to show how it is much less of a problem with shorter vehicles. 
 

So that was a useful bit of research. In the next post I shall explain what I want from Fencote (or whatever it ends up being called) and how I came up with the track plan…

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jcm@gwr

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Have you considered using the S&W mounting plate and a goalpost shaped loop of brass wire,

instead of fixing it across the buffer heads, it makes it easier to mount the coupling, as it's then

a single unit. Also, you can then adjust the length of loop to suit your curves (I also think it looks

better than across the buffer heads)

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Darren Ray

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Thank you for the suggestion! I agree that they do look better. I just wasn't sure if they worked so well on radius 2 curves. The wire-on-buffers method looks like it should allow for more sideways movement? But I think it would be a nice thing to experiment with, and as I have just bought a new soldering iron tip I feel up to the challenge. I shall report back with my findings!

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black and decker boy

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We tried a few different auto couplings before standardising on Sprat & Winkle and have now used them in 4 or 5 exhibition layouts over 20 years.

 

they are robust and reliable with only minor adjustment needed between shows. We have adopted the base plates and brass loop mostly (though my dad does still like to glue bars on buffers).

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Darren Ray

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Thanks for that. Fathers can do silly things.. I should know as I am one. D

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Darren Ray

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Further experiments have been undertaken to see if I can uncouple/couple on a radius 2 curve, such as I have besides the inner platform. It seems to be sort of possible.. just. You can push the hook past the bar, but it probably would not work too well if I was relying on a magnet under the track. I might try snipping off part of the hook so that it passes the bar more easily. What can go wrong??IMG_1348.jpg.4b02855ea811349d63d2648f024f7c19.jpg

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Siberian Snooper

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Try not bending the hook part as far, that may give you a bit of leeway.

 

 

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Darren Ray

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Yes, it does look a bit overly bent in that photo.. I shall check the angle! They have to be quite bent to miss each other, as in one of the photos from my post further up the page. But that situation occurs only on reverse curves.. and if I can avoid such curves on my layout, which I am trying to do, then perhaps I can indeed straighten them out. I think the next step is to put the track together and try moving some trains about.

Thanks for the tip! D

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