theres something not quite right about any of the Hornby black 5 models, i cant put my finger on it but they just dont capture the look of a real 5.

im hoping Bachmann have a crack at it at some point as the damage here highlights a difference in quality...i fitted a seuthe smoke generator to my Bachmann jubilee and forgot to a) fill it with smoke oil B) forgot it was running round my layout while i went and ate tea etc, came back to it an hour and a half later and the smokebox was only slightly warm around the chimney.

good job repairing the damage though

by the way hows the stirling single coming on?

by the way hows the stirling single coming on?

Not yet unpacked it from university, though rest assured it's coming on swimmingly! Will be posting pics of it in the coming weeks as I finish drilling the splashers out and generally adding the details to it. Last thing to do now is fit handrails to the smokebox and boiler, and the cab backhead controls.

...then the final stage: finally, painting it!

I think the bogie on the early Black Five may also have been too short, as well as the boiler / firebox / cab measurement that you highlighted.

I remember a Railway Modeller article (spread over two or three months) in 1984/1985 (Jan/Feb?) which showed how to correct some of the error, using some bits from Mainline / Dapol, which were more freely available at the time). Quite a good job made of it too. You might want to have a dig around for this.

A very good point Horsetan - I'll have a check of that bogie...

They won't be modified much beyond weathering and sealing of transfers thereafter in this event, but it does rather confirm my thoughts that neither of them quite captures the scale length of a true Stanier 5MT, in the same way that both the Railroad and Super Detail A1/A3/A4s do.

...that neither of them quite captures the scale length of a true Stanier 5MT...

What's up with the length of the new-generation 5MT?

The ones in MRJ and dotted about RMWeb suggest it polishes up into a top-notch model with little work.

I always think that the smokebox overhang does not look right i:e not enough, but still consider the Chinese 5 to be 1,000% better than the Railroad 5. Why buy a r/road 5 for the same price as an used Chinese 5 on e bay ? No to a Bachmann 5 I've got too many chinese 5s.

What we need is a Hawaii Five......oh

Book him, Danno.

What's up with the length of the new-generation 5MT?

 

The ones in MRJ and dotted about RMWeb suggest it polishes up into a top-notch model with little work.

From my measurements, the newer of the two is slightly too long, and the older is by far too short! No denying that the new ones scrubs up better, only that when compared to its similar class member - the new Bachmann Jubilee - it does not look quite as workmanlike as the latter.

Just one man's opinion, mind!

From my measurements, the newer of the two is slightly too long, and the older is by far too short! No denying that the new ones scrubs up better, only that when compared to its similar class member - the new Bachmann Jubilee - it does not look quite as workmanlike as the latter.

 

Just one man's opinion, mind!

Cool, you had me worried I'm not up on my vital statistics.

Be kind to the old girl though, she's got a few more years under her belt than the latest Jubilee/Clan/what have you. Perhaps Hornby will have a wee tweak sometime, tidying up the front bogie, bufferbeam and tender would pretty much do it. (IMO)