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MSWJR 4-4-0 - trouble with an old ladys joints.


scanman

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Having resolved the issue with the tender chassis (the front mounting needs to include the tender drawbar, associated bushes & washers etc) it was time to move on to the loco frames.

 

The first comment (& one which had been pointed out to me by MSWJR on these forums) is the flimsiness of 12 thou brass compared to its nickel-silver counterpart. That said, I thought I'd be able to cope - and I did, just about... The frames are held together by four spacers, all different sizes & folds. For a change, there is a rudimentary drawing - but some of the positions (spacer 3 for example - which has slots for wire to control the axle bushes) it is more a case of making an educated guess.

 

Picking up on Kenton's tip, I sodlered alternate spacers to both sides, then went to put it all together, I started at spacer 3 - that being the approximate centre of the chassis - then (2) and (4) at the back. Sounds a doddle - but for some reason the solder just did not want to stick! Each joint must have been tinned, cleaned & soldered two or three times. The solder tip was clean, but even multicore solder - whilst it melted - just would not bond...

 

At last, I was left with spacer (1)... More problems... By this time the frames had been subjected to so much heat a degree of warping had set in and at first I did not realise where the troulbe lay. At last, a bit of judicious tweaking, a cloths peg and a bit if BFI, it finally wen together!

 

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By now I'd spent about eight hours on them so was looking forward to a break. However, I have a penchant for cleaning up as I go, particularly where solder is concerned. I use 'Neals Solder Paste' which has a fairly corrosive flux (its also lead-based but don't tell HSE I said so..;) ) . BCNPete on one of the earlier entries was kind enough to comment on the neatness of the soldering - so here's how it's achieved. I'll use recalcitrant spacer 1 as the example!

 

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As can be seen, there's a fair amount of solder in there! Here are the tools I use to get it out:-

 

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The scalpel will scrape away the larger lumps, then the 'twizzle syicks' will resolve most of the rest, leaving the final burnish to the glass-fibre brush. The toothpicks are for the final stage - more anon.

 

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Spacer 1 after the application of the scalpel blade and the 'twizzle sticks'. These are home made using 1500 grade wen' dry wrapped round coffee stirrers and tongue depressors. I use the 'Wet n' Dry' wet. USE A CONTAINER OF WATER - you do NOT want to lick it (think of all that lead!). Looking better...

 

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Stage 3 - burnish with a glass-fibre brush. Dependent on the amount of soldering I do (obviously) I go through about thee a week (as an indication the tender used three). It might seem expensive - but not as expensive as stripping & rubbing back a new paint job!

 

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The last stage - & where the cocktail sticks come in! Dipped in 'Hob Bright' - a cream cleaner like 'Jif' (I refuse to use it's continental name which sounds like a 'social disease'!) - this gets rid of the last traces (for now) of any flux etc. A good indicator is that it suddenly turns grey. It's fould some paste the other processes have missed!

 

When I said 'for now', it's amazing how often I come back to a model after a couple of weeks & find oxidation on the joints. Out with the 'Hob Bright' again!

 

Which leads on to a funny (?) story. Tonight we'd run out of Hob Bright - so off to Sainsbury's I went. At the checkout the cashier said ' Bit late to be cleaning the oven?'. When I said 'Thats the wifes job' she proptly responded ' Oh so you're working on your vintage car then?'. When I told her what it was really for, she suddenly became quite interested!

 

TTFN

 

Ian

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Nice result. I tend to clean up using scrapers made from small cheap screwdrivers ground to look a little like a graver. The shafts of cheap screwdrivers can often be bent to useful angles.

 

Even the smallest traces of active flux can cause corrosion. I scrub with a hard grade tootbrush and an abrasive cream cleaner. Then into the ultrasonic cleaner. I've used the cream fluxes that Coachman dislikes and after the above treatment found no subsequent corrosion.

 

Michael

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Hi ###### --

 

I might well look at an ultrasonic unit - they've been mentioned a couple of times on RMWeb, and apparently Maplins do a reasonably-peiced version,

 

Regs

 

Ian

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Try the old trick of placing parts to be cleaned on an aluminium plate, adding warm water and washing ( NOT caustic!) soda.

This is advisable when initially unwrapping etched brass. I clean with acetone before soldering, and this works well. If you find it difficult to obtain, go online to a fibreglass supplier.

My E5 from the same stable isn't causing me the problems that you are encountering.....obviously a better-mannered prototype !

 

best of luck

 

gerrynick

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